Help me out here: A drunken man who was running from the police and broke into a home gets shot. How is that an abuse of the Castle Doctrine? How many of you gun control advocates are hereby offering your homes as refuges for intoxicated people?
Castle Doctrine is just their latest target because of the Zimmerman fame even though he probably is not protected under it and it does not apply. Sort of like they were parading that idiot Goddard around to promote background checks at gunshows even though the VT killer didn't get his guns at a gun show AND he passed two separate background checks.
The latest attacks on Castle Doctrine are just lame attempts to use a dead kid for their political gain. Disgusting I know but the anti freedom loons are pretty desperate these days and really have little shame.
Background checks on private sales, even they have nothing to do with VA Tech, are a good idea.
Requiring people to avoid confrontation, even if they're not in the wrong, is a good thing. If that has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case, which seems to be debatable, so what. It's still a good thing.
So, let me get this straight... a drunk but unarmed man, who made no threatening gestures other than to take a step in the wrong direction, was shot to death by a scared homeowner. Yes, he broke in, but does that justify shooting him to death? The homeowner didn't even warn the guy to leave, apparently.
Legal? Yes. Ethical? No. Now the whole family, and the family and friends of the deceased, have to grapple with the killing of a man.
Reminds me of the case where a woman came home to find a strange drunk guy sleeping on her couch. Instead of turning around and leaving, or trying to wake him in any way, she shot him to death. Same ethical fail.
MikeB, they can and do run it however they like. But expect to be called out if you selectively allow comments to make your propaganda more digestable.
Blog writers can do as they wish. I just find it telling that comments are banned on Jason Kilgore's site, but he wanders about leaving remarks elsewhere. I, on the other hand, believe in freedom of discussion, so anyone is welcome to comment on mine. I'm grateful that you've adopted that policy here, Mikeb.
"To say he needs to do that in order to make is "propaganda more digestable," is ridiculous."
Why is that ridiculous? Your own cobloggers were doing it here for months. Allowing comments they liked, deleting those they disagree with. That's how you control the message and that's why it is propaganda.
I've spotted Dog Gone commenting on "Common Gunsense." It appears that she's only comfortable in environments where her side gets to control the discussion. The criticism here is that it's hard to contain the nature of a control freak to just one subject. People who want strict controls in one area often want it in all areas.
Castle doctrine made no difference in this case. The DA said that the same conclusion not to prosecute would be reached with or without Castle Doctrine.
The message here is: don't break into people's houses. People get real protective of their young children as this homeowner obviously is.
Maybe if the criminal had surrendered to police instead of breaking an entering the victim's home, he would be alive.
I have to wonder if there isn't more to the record of this drunk than we know at the moment. Surely he didn't run and break into someone's home just to escape an intoxication charge.
I'm sure your commie mind has a hard time understanding private property and why NO ONE has the right to enter a private home. Instead of blaming the criminal who was evading arrest let's blame the homeowner who was protecting his family. I know your anti-gun prejudice jades your view of everything but try to understand that criminals committing crimes are the problem, not lawfully owned firearms and self defense. I know let’s pass a law making it illegal to break into someones home in the middle of the night. Oh wait it is already a crime and we can all see how well that worked to stop the criminal. Passing more of your infringement laws and disarming more victims isn’t going to prevent crime, but then again that isn’t your goal is it? You could care less about crime control, you are all about dismantling the Bill of Rights.
Scott, the guy's family was not in need of protection. We're not talking about an escaped con with a history of rape whom the homeowner blew away a little too quickly. We're talking about a stupid young man who was hiding in the neighbor's porch.
You're right that "NO ONE has the right to enter a private home," but they don't all deserve death.
In the middle of the night, facing a drunk home invader, the home owner has little time to ask for a background check from the thug. The presumption is that anyone who commits the violent act of breaking in to a home is likely to commit more violent acts.
@ mikeb and you know what this guys intentions were because you can read minds? He broke the law evading the police, then he broke another law breaking into this home. But now I'm supposed to believe he is a choirboy and wasn't going to harm anyone inside the home? You want to crucify the homeowner without knowing all the facts. In your mind anyone who uses a firearm is wrong.
No, Scott, not anyone. As much as you desire to be the victim of unfair treatment by gun control folks, you're not, at least around here. I'm all for the proper use of force. This did not sound like it to me.
"I know your anti-gun prejudice jades your view of everything but try to understand that criminals committing crimes are the problem, not lawfully owned firearms and self defense."
Fuck you, you lying sack of shit. I LIKE gunz, fuckhead, I just don't like cowardly fucks who can't go through life without one and insist that every problem has a bullseye.
I lock my doors and windows, I have an alarm system and a yappy little dog (no,not Greg Camp--Buddy is a much better companion). If I had someone on my front porch, a wife, three kids AND a gun in the house, I would CALL THE FUCKING COPS and make sure that every noisemaker in the house was making noise.
You paranoid fools see assassins at the corner grocery store--and think that you're safe because you've shot some paper targets or been on a "tactical range". Unless you've actually had to face someone with a gun, you can't know how you will react.
From what little information is out there, it appears that the homeowner did something pretty stupid in opening the door to confront the "intruder". If the "intruder" had been armed, a backlit homeowner would have been a perfect target.
You, Greg Camp and the rest of the gunzloonz that live in some fantasy of righteous gunslingin' are delusional. Get some fucking help.
When they have no facts to stand on they resort to name calling and hysterical ranting. democommie and mikeb believe that if they ignore the fact that evil exists that nothing bad will ever happen to them. I hope for their sake that they never have to learn the error of their beliefs. @democommie Evil isn't a hypothetical boogeyman. The boogeyman that causes me to carry a firearm was released from prison on Nov. 17th 2011 after serving 15 years for attempted murder. He vowed to hunt down and kill my wife when he got out. I've changed our name and relocated my family halfway across the country to avoid him. My firearms are just a tool in the vast toolbox I use to keep her safe.
Scott, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. In that case I'd have a gun too. But, you must admit that many of your fellow gun owners don't have any more chance of needing a weapon than I do, and that's almost zero.
I'm opposed to them claiming that they really need their guns and everyone else should wise up to the reality too. I'm especially opposed to the ones who are unfit and irresponsible. You do admit that they exist too don't you?
I have to stand back and laugh here...with Big Greg's, oh thee the poor pathetic persecuted white conservative outrage....his comment about someone else's language in responding to his melon brained non stop simplistic logic...gee, don't you ever stop to think, "uhhh perhaps it's me?" nawwwww.........it's like an old steve martin snl routine....
Where did you get the idea that I'm an outraged conservative? I support a national healthcare system. I'm in favor of marriage equality. I'm pro-choice on abortion. I recognize that greenhouse gases are a danger to everyone and need to be reduced.
But I suppose that your obsession with melons keeps you from seeing me for who I am.
"This advice from someone who can't write a comment without ranting, raving, and cursing"
Au contraire, dickface. I reserve the ranting, raving and cursing for when I'm dealing with fucking liarz like you. For normal human beings I employ a more civil tone. I really do think civility is wasted on assholez like you.
"democommie and mikeb believe that if they ignore the fact that evil exists that nothing bad will ever happen to them. I hope for their sake that they never have to learn the error of their beliefs."
Wrong. I see evil people, evil itself, without people, does not exist. Bad things HAVE happened to me, a number of times. If you think gunz stop bad things from happening you need to educate yourself. You say you've changed your name and moved halfway across the country in the last five months and yet you're blogging about it? I don't get that, at all.
So, this guy is out of jail, he's making you move and change your name and you think that the gun gives you the upper hand? The cops and other authorities can't deal with this?
Sorry to hear that some demented piece of shit is interested in harming you, gunz won't save you if he's that determined.
Help me out here: A drunken man who was running from the police and broke into a home gets shot. How is that an abuse of the Castle Doctrine? How many of you gun control advocates are hereby offering your homes as refuges for intoxicated people?
ReplyDeleteThe guy was not a lethal threat to anyone. He wasn't even a non-lethal threat to anyone.
DeleteCastle Doctrine is just their latest target because of the Zimmerman fame even though he probably is not protected under it and it does not apply. Sort of like they were parading that idiot Goddard around to promote background checks at gunshows even though the VT killer didn't get his guns at a gun show AND he passed two separate background checks.
ReplyDeleteThe latest attacks on Castle Doctrine are just lame attempts to use a dead kid for their political gain. Disgusting I know but the anti freedom loons are pretty desperate these days and really have little shame.
Background checks on private sales, even they have nothing to do with VA Tech, are a good idea.
DeleteRequiring people to avoid confrontation, even if they're not in the wrong, is a good thing. If that has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case, which seems to be debatable, so what. It's still a good thing.
So, let me get this straight... a drunk but unarmed man, who made no threatening gestures other than to take a step in the wrong direction, was shot to death by a scared homeowner. Yes, he broke in, but does that justify shooting him to death? The homeowner didn't even warn the guy to leave, apparently.
ReplyDeleteLegal? Yes. Ethical? No. Now the whole family, and the family and friends of the deceased, have to grapple with the killing of a man.
Reminds me of the case where a woman came home to find a strange drunk guy sleeping on her couch. Instead of turning around and leaving, or trying to wake him in any way, she shot him to death. Same ethical fail.
How about your failure to allow discussion on your own site? You're brave enough to comment elsewhere, but "New Trajectory" is a comment-free zone.
DeleteIn other news, Dog Gone apparently feels more comfortable over at Joan Peterson's blog.
Greg, why can't people run their blogs the way they like?
DeleteMikeB, they can and do run it however they like. But expect to be called out if you selectively allow comments to make your propaganda more digestable.
DeleteBlog writers can do as they wish. I just find it telling that comments are banned on Jason Kilgore's site, but he wanders about leaving remarks elsewhere. I, on the other hand, believe in freedom of discussion, so anyone is welcome to comment on mine. I'm grateful that you've adopted that policy here, Mikeb.
DeleteI find the criticism a bit weird. His not accepting comments has nothing to do with his enjoying commenting elsewhere.
DeleteAnd I don't think you can read his mind as to why. To say he needs to do that in order to make is "propaganda more digestable," is ridiculous.
"To say he needs to do that in order to make is "propaganda more digestable," is ridiculous."
DeleteWhy is that ridiculous? Your own cobloggers were doing it here for months. Allowing comments they liked, deleting those they disagree with. That's how you control the message and that's why it is propaganda.
I've spotted Dog Gone commenting on "Common Gunsense." It appears that she's only comfortable in environments where her side gets to control the discussion. The criticism here is that it's hard to contain the nature of a control freak to just one subject. People who want strict controls in one area often want it in all areas.
DeleteCastle doctrine made no difference in this case. The DA said that the same conclusion not to prosecute would be reached with or without Castle Doctrine.
ReplyDeleteThe message here is: don't break into people's houses. People get real protective of their young children as this homeowner obviously is.
Maybe if the criminal had surrendered to police instead of breaking an entering the victim's home, he would be alive.
I have to wonder if there isn't more to the record of this drunk than we know at the moment. Surely he didn't run and break into someone's home just to escape an intoxication charge.
DeleteFatWhiteMan:
ReplyDeleteI had not thought you were as much of a moron as Greg Camp. I'm going to have to revise that opinion.
He broke in? I don't see any broken window or damage to the door casing or door mechanism in the video footage.
Maybe they should just change the name of the law to, "I getz to shoot mothafuckahz who comez in MY houze! Nyah,nyah,nyah."
I'm sure your commie mind has a hard time understanding private property and why NO ONE has the right to enter a private home. Instead of blaming the criminal who was evading arrest let's blame the homeowner who was protecting his family. I know your anti-gun prejudice jades your view of everything but try to understand that criminals committing crimes are the problem, not lawfully owned firearms and self defense. I know let’s pass a law making it illegal to break into someones home in the middle of the night. Oh wait it is already a crime and we can all see how well that worked to stop the criminal. Passing more of your infringement laws and disarming more victims isn’t going to prevent crime, but then again that isn’t your goal is it? You could care less about crime control, you are all about dismantling the Bill of Rights.
DeleteScott, the guy's family was not in need of protection. We're not talking about an escaped con with a history of rape whom the homeowner blew away a little too quickly. We're talking about a stupid young man who was hiding in the neighbor's porch.
DeleteYou're right that "NO ONE has the right to enter a private home," but they don't all deserve death.
In the middle of the night, facing a drunk home invader, the home owner has little time to ask for a background check from the thug. The presumption is that anyone who commits the violent act of breaking in to a home is likely to commit more violent acts.
Delete@ mikeb and you know what this guys intentions were because you can read minds? He broke the law evading the police, then he broke another law breaking into this home. But now I'm supposed to believe he is a choirboy and wasn't going to harm anyone inside the home? You want to crucify the homeowner without knowing all the facts. In your mind anyone who uses a firearm is wrong.
DeleteNo, Scott, not anyone. As much as you desire to be the victim of unfair treatment by gun control folks, you're not, at least around here. I'm all for the proper use of force. This did not sound like it to me.
Delete"I know your anti-gun prejudice jades your view of everything but try to understand that criminals committing crimes are the problem, not lawfully owned firearms and self defense."
ReplyDeleteFuck you, you lying sack of shit. I LIKE gunz, fuckhead, I just don't like cowardly fucks who can't go through life without one and insist that every problem has a bullseye.
I lock my doors and windows, I have an alarm system and a yappy little dog (no,not Greg Camp--Buddy is a much better companion). If I had someone on my front porch, a wife, three kids AND a gun in the house, I would CALL THE FUCKING COPS and make sure that every noisemaker in the house was making noise.
You paranoid fools see assassins at the corner grocery store--and think that you're safe because you've shot some paper targets or been on a "tactical range". Unless you've actually had to face someone with a gun, you can't know how you will react.
From what little information is out there, it appears that the homeowner did something pretty stupid in opening the door to confront the "intruder". If the "intruder" had been armed, a backlit homeowner would have been a perfect target.
You, Greg Camp and the rest of the gunzloonz that live in some fantasy of righteous gunslingin' are delusional. Get some fucking help.
This advice from someone who can't write a comment without ranting, raving, and cursing.
DeleteWhen they have no facts to stand on they resort to name calling and hysterical ranting.
Deletedemocommie and mikeb believe that if they ignore the fact that evil exists that nothing bad will ever happen to them. I hope for their sake that they never have to learn the error of their beliefs.
@democommie Evil isn't a hypothetical boogeyman. The boogeyman that causes me to carry a firearm was released from prison on Nov. 17th 2011 after serving 15 years for attempted murder. He vowed to hunt down and kill my wife when he got out. I've changed our name and relocated my family halfway across the country to avoid him. My firearms are just a tool in the vast toolbox I use to keep her safe.
Scott, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. In that case I'd have a gun too. But, you must admit that many of your fellow gun owners don't have any more chance of needing a weapon than I do, and that's almost zero.
DeleteI'm opposed to them claiming that they really need their guns and everyone else should wise up to the reality too. I'm especially opposed to the ones who are unfit and irresponsible. You do admit that they exist too don't you?
I have to stand back and laugh here...with Big Greg's, oh thee the poor pathetic persecuted white conservative outrage....his comment about someone else's language in responding to his melon brained non stop simplistic logic...gee, don't you ever stop to think, "uhhh perhaps it's me?" nawwwww.........it's like an old steve martin snl routine....
DeleteWhere did you get the idea that I'm an outraged conservative? I support a national healthcare system. I'm in favor of marriage equality. I'm pro-choice on abortion. I recognize that greenhouse gases are a danger to everyone and need to be reduced.
DeleteBut I suppose that your obsession with melons keeps you from seeing me for who I am.
"This advice from someone who can't write a comment without ranting, raving, and cursing"
ReplyDeleteAu contraire, dickface. I reserve the ranting, raving and cursing for when I'm dealing with fucking liarz like you. For normal human beings I employ a more civil tone. I really do think civility is wasted on assholez like you.
"democommie and mikeb believe that if they ignore the fact that evil exists that nothing bad will ever happen to them. I hope for their sake that they never have to learn the error of their beliefs."
Wrong. I see evil people, evil itself, without people, does not exist. Bad things HAVE happened to me, a number of times. If you think gunz stop bad things from happening you need to educate yourself. You say you've changed your name and moved halfway across the country in the last five months and yet you're blogging about it? I don't get that, at all.
So, this guy is out of jail, he's making you move and change your name and you think that the gun gives you the upper hand? The cops and other authorities can't deal with this?
Sorry to hear that some demented piece of shit is interested in harming you, gunz won't save you if he's that determined.