I already have one. It's called a Springfield XD--.45 ACP, 13 + 1 rounds on board, and only one barrel. Oh, and the thing feels like a 2 x 4, but it's narrower than that.
Please, Mikeb, if the company is serious, that thing's purely a novelty. It'll cost piles of cash to do what other standard handguns do better.
The music, the video production, the badazz with his shooting glazzez and gloveziez--what a complete load of shit. If they can sell those A2011's it proves that there's a lot of pretty gullible gunzloonz out there. Oh, my bad, "gullible gunzloonz" is redundant.
"13 + 1 rounds on board", Gosh, that just sounds so, I don't know, LE or military. I think Poorfessur Camp musta missed his calling. Oh, but he's too old to be a soldier, I forgot.
My first thought was that it's a fake, but it's advertised on the company's website. As I've pointed out at length, I see no advantage to be gained by this design. It strikes me either as a novelty item or as an answer in search of a question. But the same can be said about many of the products offered on their site--interesting, but why would I want one? I haven't seen a price for the double-barrel 2011, but I doubt it will come cheap, so you don't have to worry about too many unfit buyers.
So he said, but I'm not convinced. This thing is twice as heavy as a standard 1911, and those are hefty guns. It looks like a chunk of firewood. I doubt that it would fit well into an inside the waistband holster, and it's big enough that concealment any other way would be difficult. In addition, given the added recoil, however much that is, and the odd handling characteristics, getting back on target after a shot will take longer. But regarding your question about lead down range, with practice, the owner of a standard handgun can fire two shots in a second or two, so given all the problems with this 2011 gun, I can't see a reason to switch.
I didn't even mention the possibility of ejection problems. The 1911 design can be finicky about ejecting spent shells, and I don't know how this company has reworked the ejection port on the left side gun.
All in all, this gadget looks like a novelty for enthusiasts, not a practical weapon. Hell, I'm not even interested in owning one, and I love all kinds of guns.
What's the trouble there commie? I happen to like unique guns. I'm going to buy one because I like the 1911 design and this one is unique.
It's too big to be a carry piece. The recoil must be harsh and it would be expensive to feed with twice the ammo usage. I probably won't ever even shoot it. It's a novelty gun, deal with it.
"What's the trouble there commie? I happen to like unique guns. I'm going to buy one because I like the 1911 design and this one is unique.
It's too big to be a carry piece. The recoil must be harsh and it would be expensive to feed with twice the ammo usage. I probably won't ever even shoot it. It's a novelty gun, deal with it."
Democommie, you said that my comment sounded like the kind of thing that someone in law enforcement or the military would say. My comment about how many rounds a Springfield XD will hold was the usual way to describe such things. You just had to be idiotic about it.
I'm not getting pissy. I was trying to understand your boneheaded remark. The fact that I used the correct language for describing the capacity of an XD did not warrant what you said. I used the standard description for a full magazine plus one in the chamber.
But from your comments here, it's clear that using language correctly confuses you.
"I used the standard description for a full magazine plus one in the chamber."
That WAS pretty much the standard description--"a full magazine plus one in the chamber."--until the gunz'n'ammo folks cottoned on to the idea that you stonekillazwannabeez would LURV sayin' sumpin' like, "13 + 1 rounds on board", cuz it sounds, like, soooo macho, dood.
I like this video of Andre shootin' his XD, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zufg-sFtNXU). Note how he tucks in his shirt and belly flop afore he gets down and dirty wit the handcannon. I do bleeve he shoots the shit outta paper targets.
I saw this:
"Be A Safe Shooter. ACCIDENT (ak´ si dent) N. 1. An unintentional or unexpected happening that is undesirable or unfortunate, especially one resulting in injury, damage, harm or loss. Don’t be the cause of an accident. A responsible gun owner is safety minded and always handles guns in a safe manner by following the basic rules of safe shooting and by using common sense in the handling of a firearm. Store firearms unloaded, locked, and in a secure place. Keep keys for locks separate from lock and in secure place away from children. Keep firearms out of reach of children. You are responsible for children’s safety. Be A Responsible Gun Owner. • Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. • Never point a gun at any person or thing you do not intend to shoot. • Do not drop your gun. If it falls, it may fire even with the safety on. If you do drop it, unload it and examine it to be sure it works correctly. Do not attempt to fire it again until you have completed this safety check. • Never put your hand over the muzzle of the gun. • Keep your finger(s) off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you are actually aiming at your target, ready to shoot."
and this:
"• Guns and alcohol or drugs do not mix. Do not take them before or during shooting activities. Your vision, coordination and judgment could be impaired, making gun handling unsafe. • When taking medication, seek a doctor’s advice to be sure you can operate and handle your firearm safely. • Get instructions from a competent firearms instructor before using any gun. • Before attempting to shoot, practice operations by dry firing with the chamber empty, without ammunition, or with dummy shells. Become familiar with the safety features, trigger control, and handling of the firearm. • Always keep and carry your pistol with an empty chamber until you intend to shoot, so your pistol cannot be fired unintentionally. • Firearms should be unloaded when not in use. This means both the chamber and magazine are empty. • When transferring a gun by hand, always ask the person receiving it to open the action and check that it is unloaded. • Never take anyone’s word that a firearm is unloaded. When receiving a gun, always open the action and check that it is unloaded."
on the Springfield website ( http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIREARMS/springfieldarmory_xd.pdf)
This line, in particular:
"• Always keep and carry your pistol with an empty chamber until you intend to shoot, so your pistol cannot be fired unintentionally."
just sorta leapt offa the page, noi'msane?
So, it would appear that the guyz who actually SELL the XD think that people like you, with "13+1 rounds onboard" are fucking morons who endanger themselves and others.
Here's a clue; if you shoot yourself--or, far worse, someone else--the cops will, if they're doing their job, ask you if your penis substitute was loaded, including having a chambered round.
You're a putz, which is permissible. You haz teh gunz, which is also permissible. You seem not to have a brain that processes information as well as it should; this is tragic but, still, permissible. Son, going through life, armed up and stupid is not a good idea.
This:
"Be A Safe Shooter. ACCIDENT (ak´ si dent) N. 1. An unintentional or unexpected happening that is undesirable or unfortunate, especially one resulting in injury, damage, harm or loss. Don’t be the cause of an accident. A responsible gun owner is safety minded and always handles guns in a safe manner by following the basic rules of safe shooting and by using common sense in the handling of a firearm. Store firearms unloaded, locked, and in a secure place. Keep keys for locks separate from lock and in secure place away from children. Keep firearms out of reach of children. You are responsible for children’s safety."
especially the definition of "accident" is something which you and your gunzloonz palz dismiss as not applying to seasoned, savvy "veterans" such as yourselves; mores the pity.
Democommie, the fact that I get to own and carry guns must be an itch that you just can't scratch. Where in all that quotation from the manual does it say that anyone who uses the phrase, 13 + 1, is a "fucking moron"? You're projecting again.
Democommie, I do hope that you never carry a gun, but think about it. If there's no round in the chamber, the gun can't shoot. The Israelis tell their agents to carry that way, and they practice racking the slide while getting into action. But most people in the know carry a handgun fully loaded. The quotation from the manual that you gave is bullshit language that the legal department wrote to avoid being sued. Ask Laci about that.
"Where in all that quotation from the manual does it say that anyone who uses the phrase, 13 + 1, is a "fucking moron"? You're projecting again."
Umm, you did read the whole thing, right?
"• Always keep and carry your pistol with an empty chamber until you intend to shoot, so your pistol cannot be fired unintentionally. • Firearms should be unloaded when not in use. This means both the chamber and magazine are empty."
You read that, didya? But, then again, wtf would a weapons manufacturer know, when compared with a shootist like yourself. You're a poster boy--and I do mean, "boy"--for the gunzloonz dysintelligentsia.
Ask experts in the field if they carry a handgun with an empty chamber. I've read a number of them giving advice on the subject, and not one recommends doing that. When I'm carrying a handgun, it's in use. My carry guns either have a thumb safety or a trigger that's heavy enough so as not to go off on accident. Now, as I told you, the manual suggests carrying with the chamber empty because a team of lawyers got to review it before publication.
But hey, by all means, do carry yours empty if, gods forbid, you ever do carry a gun. It'll go nicely with your head.
"Ask experts in the field if they carry a handgun with an empty chamber. I've read a number of them giving advice on the subject, and not one recommends doing that. When I'm carrying a handgun, it's in use. My carry guns either have a thumb safety or a trigger that's heavy enough so as not to go off on accident."
The experts that YOU listen to? The ones who, like you, are afraid to leave their homes unless they can draw, shoot and kill a homeless person or teen-ager who looks, "scary". You're just a coward, that's obvious to people who aren't besotted by their reading of the NRA's propaganda. So, the guys who actually manufacture and market the weapon know less about than you do?
"My carry guns either have a thumb safety or a trigger that's heavy enough so as not to go off on accident."
Really? So you've done exhaustive testing, like the manufacturer--whose conclusions are at odds with yours? Not fucking likely. Yeah, dumbfuck, I'm sure a team of lawyers DID review the publication before it was printed and THEY concluded that the language was warranted because they actually know that "shit happens" and happens often enough that it's NOT a statistical anamoly. But I tend to forget that you have, in addition to your PhD in English, advanced degrees in chemistry, physics, ballistics and the law.
I already have one. It's called a Springfield XD--.45 ACP, 13 + 1 rounds on board, and only one barrel. Oh, and the thing feels like a 2 x 4, but it's narrower than that.
ReplyDeletePlease, Mikeb, if the company is serious, that thing's purely a novelty. It'll cost piles of cash to do what other standard handguns do better.
Thanks for the info mikeb, I think I'll go buy one just for the novelty of it and to make Sarah Brady shit herself silly.
ReplyDeleteSo, gunz ain't fetishistic? Right.
ReplyDeleteThe music, the video production, the badazz with his shooting glazzez and gloveziez--what a complete load of shit. If they can sell those A2011's it proves that there's a lot of pretty gullible gunzloonz out there. Oh, my bad, "gullible gunzloonz" is redundant.
"13 + 1 rounds on board", Gosh, that just sounds so, I don't know, LE or military. I think Poorfessur Camp musta missed his calling. Oh, but he's too old to be a soldier, I forgot.
You mean, it sounds correct?
DeleteI think the fact that you think that this may be a real product shows that there are already a lot of gullible people out there.
DeleteI admit I thought it was real. Are you saying the video is a joke?
DeleteMy first thought was that it's a fake, but it's advertised on the company's website. As I've pointed out at length, I see no advantage to be gained by this design. It strikes me either as a novelty item or as an answer in search of a question. But the same can be said about many of the products offered on their site--interesting, but why would I want one? I haven't seen a price for the double-barrel 2011, but I doubt it will come cheap, so you don't have to worry about too many unfit buyers.
DeleteNo advantage? The video guy said it puts far more lead downrange than the normal gun.
DeleteSo he said, but I'm not convinced. This thing is twice as heavy as a standard 1911, and those are hefty guns. It looks like a chunk of firewood. I doubt that it would fit well into an inside the waistband holster, and it's big enough that concealment any other way would be difficult. In addition, given the added recoil, however much that is, and the odd handling characteristics, getting back on target after a shot will take longer. But regarding your question about lead down range, with practice, the owner of a standard handgun can fire two shots in a second or two, so given all the problems with this 2011 gun, I can't see a reason to switch.
DeleteI didn't even mention the possibility of ejection problems. The 1911 design can be finicky about ejecting spent shells, and I don't know how this company has reworked the ejection port on the left side gun.
All in all, this gadget looks like a novelty for enthusiasts, not a practical weapon. Hell, I'm not even interested in owning one, and I love all kinds of guns.
What's the trouble there commie? I happen to like unique guns. I'm going to buy one because I like the 1911 design and this one is unique.
ReplyDeleteIt's too big to be a carry piece. The recoil must be harsh and it would be expensive to feed with twice the ammo usage. I probably won't ever even shoot it. It's a novelty gun, deal with it.
"You mean, it sounds correct?"
ReplyDeleteI have no idea wtf you're talking about, pinhead.
"You mean, it sounds correct?
"What's the trouble there commie? I happen to like unique guns. I'm going to buy one because I like the 1911 design and this one is unique.
It's too big to be a carry piece. The recoil must be harsh and it would be expensive to feed with twice the ammo usage. I probably won't ever even shoot it. It's a novelty gun, deal with it."
IOW, a fetish, thx, got it.
Democommie, you said that my comment sounded like the kind of thing that someone in law enforcement or the military would say. My comment about how many rounds a Springfield XD will hold was the usual way to describe such things. You just had to be idiotic about it.
DeleteOh, poor Greg; he gets all pissy when he's made fun of. Get used to it, clown.
ReplyDelete"My comment about how many rounds a Springfield XD will hold was the usual way to describe such things. You just had to be idiotic about it."
Horseshit. You and your gunzloonz palz all like to sound all dangerous, special agenty when you talk about your weppins.
I'm not getting pissy. I was trying to understand your boneheaded remark. The fact that I used the correct language for describing the capacity of an XD did not warrant what you said. I used the standard description for a full magazine plus one in the chamber.
DeleteBut from your comments here, it's clear that using language correctly confuses you.
"I used the standard description for a full magazine plus one in the chamber."
ReplyDeleteThat WAS pretty much the standard description--"a full magazine plus one in the chamber."--until the gunz'n'ammo folks cottoned on to the idea that you stonekillazwannabeez would LURV sayin' sumpin' like, "13 + 1 rounds on board", cuz it sounds, like, soooo macho, dood.
I like this video of Andre shootin' his XD, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zufg-sFtNXU). Note how he tucks in his shirt and belly flop afore he gets down and dirty wit the handcannon. I do bleeve he shoots the shit outta paper targets.
I saw this:
"Be A Safe Shooter.
ACCIDENT (ak´ si dent) N. 1. An unintentional or
unexpected happening that is undesirable or
unfortunate, especially one resulting in injury, damage,
harm or loss.
Don’t be the cause of an accident.
A responsible gun owner is safety minded and always
handles guns in a safe manner by following the basic
rules of safe shooting and by using common sense in
the handling of a firearm.
Store firearms unloaded, locked, and in a secure place.
Keep keys for locks separate from lock and in secure
place away from children. Keep firearms out of reach
of children. You are responsible for children’s safety.
Be A Responsible Gun Owner.
• Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
• Never point a gun at any person or thing you do
not intend to shoot.
• Do not drop your gun. If it falls, it may fire even
with the safety on. If you do drop it, unload it and
examine it to be sure it works correctly. Do not
attempt to fire it again until you have completed this
safety check.
• Never put your hand over the muzzle of the gun.
• Keep your finger(s) off the trigger and out of the
trigger guard until you are actually aiming at your
target, ready to shoot."
and this:
"• Guns and alcohol or drugs do not mix. Do not take
them before or during shooting activities. Your vision,
coordination and judgment could be impaired,
making gun handling unsafe.
• When taking medication, seek a doctor’s advice to be
sure you can operate and handle your firearm safely.
• Get instructions from a competent firearms instructor
before using any gun.
• Before attempting to shoot, practice operations by
dry firing with the chamber empty, without
ammunition, or with dummy shells. Become familiar
with the safety features, trigger control, and handling
of the firearm.
• Always keep and carry your pistol with an empty
chamber until you intend to shoot, so your pistol
cannot be fired unintentionally.
• Firearms should be unloaded when not in use. This
means both the chamber and magazine are empty.
• When transferring a gun by hand, always ask the
person receiving it to open the action and check that
it is unloaded.
• Never take anyone’s word that a firearm is unloaded.
When receiving a gun, always open the action and
check that it is unloaded."
on the Springfield website ( http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIREARMS/springfieldarmory_xd.pdf)
This line, in particular:
"• Always keep and carry your pistol with an empty
chamber until you intend to shoot, so your pistol
cannot be fired unintentionally."
just sorta leapt offa the page, noi'msane?
So, it would appear that the guyz who actually SELL the XD think that people like you, with "13+1 rounds onboard" are fucking morons who endanger themselves and others.
continuing the previous comment.
ReplyDeleteHere's a clue; if you shoot yourself--or, far worse, someone else--the cops will, if they're doing their job, ask you if your penis substitute was loaded, including having a chambered round.
You're a putz, which is permissible. You haz teh gunz, which is also permissible. You seem not to have a brain that processes information as well as it should; this is tragic but, still, permissible. Son, going through life, armed up and stupid is not a good idea.
This:
"Be A Safe Shooter.
ACCIDENT (ak´ si dent) N. 1. An unintentional or
unexpected happening that is undesirable or
unfortunate, especially one resulting in injury, damage,
harm or loss.
Don’t be the cause of an accident.
A responsible gun owner is safety minded and always
handles guns in a safe manner by following the basic
rules of safe shooting and by using common sense in
the handling of a firearm.
Store firearms unloaded, locked, and in a secure place.
Keep keys for locks separate from lock and in secure
place away from children. Keep firearms out of reach
of children. You are responsible for children’s safety."
especially the definition of "accident" is something which you and your gunzloonz palz dismiss as not applying to seasoned, savvy "veterans" such as yourselves; mores the pity.
Democommie, the fact that I get to own and carry guns must be an itch that you just can't scratch. Where in all that quotation from the manual does it say that anyone who uses the phrase, 13 + 1, is a "fucking moron"? You're projecting again.
ReplyDeleteGreg, just ignore Democommie. Obviously the photography business isn't going so well and he just has too much time on his hands. Nowhatimsane?
DeleteDemocommie, I do hope that you never carry a gun, but think about it. If there's no round in the chamber, the gun can't shoot. The Israelis tell their agents to carry that way, and they practice racking the slide while getting into action. But most people in the know carry a handgun fully loaded. The quotation from the manual that you gave is bullshit language that the legal department wrote to avoid being sued. Ask Laci about that.
ReplyDelete"Where in all that quotation from the manual does it say that anyone who uses the phrase, 13 + 1, is a "fucking moron"? You're projecting again."
ReplyDeleteUmm, you did read the whole thing, right?
"• Always keep and carry your pistol with an empty
chamber until you intend to shoot, so your pistol
cannot be fired unintentionally.
• Firearms should be unloaded when not in use. This
means both the chamber and magazine are empty."
You read that, didya? But, then again, wtf would a weapons manufacturer know, when compared with a shootist like yourself. You're a poster boy--and I do mean, "boy"--for the gunzloonz dysintelligentsia.
Ask experts in the field if they carry a handgun with an empty chamber. I've read a number of them giving advice on the subject, and not one recommends doing that. When I'm carrying a handgun, it's in use. My carry guns either have a thumb safety or a trigger that's heavy enough so as not to go off on accident. Now, as I told you, the manual suggests carrying with the chamber empty because a team of lawyers got to review it before publication.
DeleteBut hey, by all means, do carry yours empty if, gods forbid, you ever do carry a gun. It'll go nicely with your head.
"Ask experts in the field if they carry a handgun with an empty chamber. I've read a number of them giving advice on the subject, and not one recommends doing that. When I'm carrying a handgun, it's in use. My carry guns either have a thumb safety or a trigger that's heavy enough so as not to go off on accident."
ReplyDeleteThe experts that YOU listen to? The ones who, like you, are afraid to leave their homes unless they can draw, shoot and kill a homeless person or teen-ager who looks, "scary". You're just a coward, that's obvious to people who aren't besotted by their reading of the NRA's propaganda. So, the guys who actually manufacture and market the weapon know less about than you do?
"My carry guns either have a thumb safety or a trigger that's heavy enough so as not to go off on accident."
Really? So you've done exhaustive testing, like the manufacturer--whose conclusions are at odds with yours? Not fucking likely. Yeah, dumbfuck, I'm sure a team of lawyers DID review the publication before it was printed and THEY concluded that the language was warranted because they actually know that "shit happens" and happens often enough that it's NOT a statistical anamoly. But I tend to forget that you have, in addition to your PhD in English, advanced degrees in chemistry, physics, ballistics and the law.