Breivik is a member of the Oslo Pistol Club and has three weapons registered in his name, according to leading Norwegian newspaper VG, citing Norway's official weapons register. They are a Glock pistol, a rifle and a shotgun, VG reported.
You know what's happening right now on the pro-gun blogs, you know the ones who keep accusing us of "dancing in the blood" of gun violence victims? Well, they're furiously typing out the facts right now which prove registration of guns doesn't work. Norway has that, and it didn't stop this fanatic from killing people.
The fact is, the extreme rarity of these incidents in Norway proves just the opposite. In addition, the gun guys have to own this guy as one of their own, since he belonged to a gun club, they have to list him with the right-wing fanatics who've done violence, and they have to admit that stringent gun control laws do not equal gun banning or lead to gun confiscations.
What do you think? Please leave a comment.
The fact that he had gunz and was, apparently, completely fucking insane, speaks volumes about requiring something more than cash and a drivers license for the purchase of firearms.ReplyDelete
The thing is he took out the children of the Labor party. The best and brightest of Norway's progressive future. He also demoralized and broke the hearts of the parents. I know that Norway's democracy will survive. But it took a terrible blow. Killing the future leaders. Targeting the children for death.ReplyDelete
If gun pussies use this as some kind of excuse to bolster their agenda... Well, I just wouldn't really know what to say. Our side can caution against the same mistake.
"The fact is, the extreme rarity of these incidents in Norway proves just the opposite."ReplyDelete
"Contrary to public perception, Western Europe, most of whose countries have much tougher gun laws than the United States, has experienced many of the worst multiple-victim public shootings." - John Lott
This kind of mass shooting may be rare in Norway because they have 1/100th of the US population.ReplyDelete
I'm sorry. I should have said gun enthusiasts or something more neutral.ReplyDelete
The more I think about this incident, however, it is very tempting to wish that there had been somebody else with a gun there at that time.
I notice he is single.......but this is so horrible, so overwhelmingly horrible, that I can't bring myself to make a comment about the classic 'Norwegian bachelor farmer'.ReplyDelete
Seriously, if he hadn't been unattractive to Norwegian women before, he can kiss any relationship with women good bye now.
In Norway, the longest sentence he can receive is 21 years. That doesn't seem nearly long enough for killing 92 people (the number so far) or the amount of carnage - the injury and property damage avobe and beyond the deaths, or the atmosphere of fear now occurring in Norway.
My heart and prayers go out to the people of Norway.
"The more I think about this incident, however, it is very tempting to wish that there had been somebody else with a gun there at that time."ReplyDelete
See what happens when you start to apply common sense?
Just this morning I was reading the TTAG take on this. "A conceal carry counselor" is what Robert said is needed. I pointed out that one would not be enough, in fact camp counselors would not be up to the job at all. You'd need about a dozen highly-trained gun enthusiasts, to use Flying Juniors name for them. These armed protectors would have to be strategically placed in EVERY camp, and after the summer they could be dispatched in EVERY school, why not? Of course we'd need fortified concrete bunkers and bomb proof sleeping quarters and classrooms.ReplyDelete
That's the kind of freedom the gun-rights folks keep talking about.
The last time I saw a lot of people carrying guns, and children sleeping in bunkers, was when I stayed over night at a kibbutz adjacent to the northern border of Israel, where there was an actual risk of a fairly conventional style military attack, of armed invaders.ReplyDelete
I do not wish to live that way in this country, or to see anyone else live that way as the norm. It is bad enough as the exception.
God bless the leader of Norway for stating that the response in that country to an attack on democracy was going to be MORE DEMOCRACY. Smart man, and a brave man, to take that position to intolerance.
I wish we did as well in some of our responses, where I am concerned that we let fear cause us to forget our principles and core beliefs a bit too quickly. Torture is just one example of that.
mikeb said: "In addition, the gun guys have to own this guy as one of their own, since he belonged to a gun club."ReplyDelete
No. He's one of yours, because it's because it's the ridiculous laws you advocate for that force people to join clubs in order to own guns.
Flying Junior said: "If gun pussies use this as some kind of excuse to bolster their agenda..."
Better the anti-gun pussies (redundancy of terms) use this to bolster their agenda, right?
Better the anti-gun pussies (redundancy of terms) use this to bolster their agenda, right?ReplyDelete
They sure do love dancing in the blood of the dead don't they....
AztecRed said, "He's one of yours, because it's because it's the ridiculous laws you advocate for that force people to join clubs in order to own guns."ReplyDelete
You usually make more sense than that. Even in your extremist rantings there's usually a common thread that runs through it. But this time you lost me, man.
Is it the fact he belonged to a club that you're blaming this on? And that's somehow our fault????
hmm, and yet all you anti-gunners tell us we need licensing and registration in order to PREVENT such crimes from happening.ReplyDelete
Licensing, registration, and gun control that is far more strict than in the U.S. didn't stop this massacre.
Another obvious failure of gun control.
"Is it the fact he belonged to a club that you're blaming this on? And that's somehow our fault????"ReplyDelete
He belonged to a club because of people like you, not because of people like me. Therefore, he is one of yours.
He is the product of your "Common Sense" gun-control: Licensed, registered, background-checked, trained, and crazy.
Well, not really. If I'd had anything to do with the background and mental health check system I'm sure poor Anders never would have passed. I'm not so sure about you either, come to think about it.ReplyDelete