Cleveland police shot and wounded a 12-year-old boy who was allegedly carrying an "airsoft" toy gun at a recreation center, police said. The 12-year-old was shot in the torso and was in surgery Saturday, police said in a statement, and two officers were placed on administrative leave.
Police said the officers were responding to a report of a person waving a gun around at a playground at the Cudell Recreation Center at around 3:30 p.m. Saturday, and the boy was shot after he refused to put his hands up and reached in his waistband for what appeared to be a handgun.
The handgun turned out to be an "airsoft" replica toy gun, which shoots pellets in a similar way that a BB gun does. Cleveland police said in a statement that an orange marking designed to make the toys distinguishable from real firearms had been removed. Police said the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor’s Office and police are investigating the shooting.
Ah--once more, the guy who claims that people who say that the "gun control" jihadists blame guns are stupid, says "ban them sumbitches" about toy guns.
ReplyDeleteAnd we all know what Mike means by the word "ban". No child's toy left behind. Round them all up.
DeleteThanks for proving my point, TS. The word "bad" has a wide range of meanings depending on how it's used. If Kurt had read my original "ban them sumbitches" post, he'd know how I really feel about toy guns. They should be treated like real guns, same regulations, same restrictions, same penalties for misuse.
DeleteIf Kurt had read my original "ban them sumbitches" post, he'd know how I really feel about toy guns. They should be treated like real guns, same regulations, same restrictions, same penalties for misuse.
DeleteSo when gun rights advocates say "ban," they're "lying," unless they're describing an all out, confiscatory prohibition of private ownership of any firearms, but when you say ban, you might be referring to something else entirely.
By the way, if toys and guns are to be treated in the same way, why would anyone bother with toys?
"when gun rights advocates say "ban," they're "lying," unless they're describing an all out"
DeleteWell, it depends. At times I suppose. What I've repeatedly pointed out is how you guys use the word loosely, sometimes to conjure up the nightmare scene of government thugs kicking in your door at night and sometimes to simply mean a prohibition of a particular weapon.
What I've repeatedly pointed out is how you guys use the word loosely, sometimes to conjure up the nightmare scene of government thugs kicking in your door at night . . .
DeleteI'm not interested in what you infer that we "conjure up." If it's not what we explicitly say, you have no case for dishonesty on our parts.
Yup, keep supporting the arming of police officers and this will happen. I guess this is the price we pay for cops fetish of carrying guns.
ReplyDeleteOneIsTooMany
The idiot removed the part that would have ID'ed the gun as a toy. Probably learned that from his idiot gun loon parents.
ReplyDeleteRight, another victimless crime.
DeleteRight, another victimless crime.
DeleteWell, yeah--unless you want to call the kid a victim of his own crime.
Personally, I'm thinking of painting orange rings on the muzzles of all my real guns.
A criminal like you would.
DeleteWe have someone who seems to have removed part of the toy to make it more realistic. The kid then thought that somehow the police would be able to magically tell the toy was really a toy and instead of putting up his hands as ordered, he grabbed the toy gun. Cant really fault the cops. Very poor decision making on the kid's part.
ReplyDeleteOITM has quite the perspective. OITM, are you really advocating the disarming of police officers? That would make things interesting. We would have most of the states with shall issue carry and all of the police officers unarmed. Might make things interesting in places like Jersey, DC, and NYC pretty interesting with no one being armed.
Well, some more details are coming out. Kid playing in a playground with a toy gun. Someone called the police. Police show up and tell kid to put up his hands. He didn't.
ReplyDelete"Cleveland Police say officers responded to a radio assignment outside of the rec center for a male with a gun. Preliminary information reveals that witnesses reported a male was in the playground area of the center, waving a gun and pointing it at people."
"Police say when officers arrived, they located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands. However, the suspect did not comply with the officers' orders and reached to his waistband for the gun. Shots were fired and the suspect was struck in the torso.
"The young man had the weapon in his waistband. He pulled the weapon out. One of our officers fired two shots, striking the young man," said Deputy Chief Ed Tomba with Cleveland Police."
http://www.19actionnews.com/story/27458055/investigation-officer-involved-shooting-at-cudell-rec-center
They have a picture of the gun. Looks real enough.
But you gun loons say people should not be calling 911 just because someone is in public with a gun.
DeleteRead the comment Anon. The report said he was waving the gun and pointing it at people. A far cry from carrying holstered.
DeleteSounds like this might get messy. Apparently its now coming out that the 911 caller said the gun looked fake, but wasn't sure and that didn't get passed on to the responding officers.
Read the Huffpo article I cited below.
DeleteFrom what I've read so far Anon, when the officers approached Tamir, they told him to put up his hands. His response was to pull the airsoft gun from his waistband.
DeleteNo matter what your race, if you do what Tamir did, you're likely to get shot. There is even video of the event that has been reviewed and shown to representatives of the family.
The article I cited says that's not true.
Deletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/24/tamir-rice-boy-shot-cleveland-police_n_6211064.html
ReplyDelete"Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams announced Tuesday that the video of the shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice will be released Wednesday at 1 p.m."
ReplyDelete"In the statement, Samaria Rice and Leonard Warner, Tamir Rice's parents, ask that police release the full video of Saturday's shooting at the Cudell Recreation Center on Cleveland's west side.
"We feel the actions of the patrol officer who took our son’s life must be made public," the statement reads. "It is our prayer and request for citizens in the City of Cleveland and throughout Northeast Ohio to remain calm at this time. We ask for the public to demonstrate peacefully."
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/tamir-rice-12-year-old-shot-dead-by-police-asks-police-to-release-full-video-asks-for-privacy
Well, the video has been released for all to see.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-cleveland-police-shooting-video-20141126-story.html
Like the video I cited was not for all to see?
DeleteThe video shows that the cops are lying when they say the warned the kid twice.
DeleteThere is no way to tell that Mike. There is no sound on the video.
DeleteThe master liar has spoken.
DeleteThe video shows the cops driving up fast, jumping out of the car already shooting. How can you say there's no way to tell?
Delete"The video shows the cops driving up fast, jumping out of the car already shooting."
DeleteI do believe you may be right Mike. Looking at the video again, I don't see how you could squeeze in two verbal warnings in the short time frame.
Anonymous, you've got ssgmarkcr wrong. Kurt and TS could learn from him.
DeleteNot when he has outright lied about me so many times, even apologizing, but those apologies are insincere since he continues to lie about me.
DeleteHere's an interesting article I came across about this event,
ReplyDelete"Timothy Loehmann, the Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice within two seconds of encountering the boy, was deemed “unfit for duty” while serving on another police force. Supervisors specifically cited his “dismal” handgun performance and emotional instability when they forced him to resign in December 2012."
"Officer Timothy Loehmann, who killed Tamir Rice on 22 November, was specifically faulted for breaking down emotionally while handling a live gun. During a training episode at a firing range, Loehmann was reported to be “distracted and weepy” and incommunicative. “His handgun performance was dismal,” deputy chief Jim Polak of the Independence, Ohio, police department wrote in an internal memo."
"Loehmann should never have been able to find a job in law enforcement after his spectacular wash-out at Independence.
The Cincinnati Police Department failed to vet Loehmann adequately, and we can only wonder if this isn’t just the tip of the iceberg.
Heads need to roll in Cincinnati."
http://bearingarms.com/cop-shot-tamir-rice-forced-previous-job-crying-handling-gun/
Yeah. This is the guy Kurt was defending so strongly, pretending that he had the patrol car window rolled down and had shouted his two warnings before exiting the vehicle.
DeleteThis is the guy Kurt was defending so strongly . . .
DeleteSo asking what the officer's alleged "lie" was is "defending so strongly"? Without expressing any opinion about the legitimacy of the shooting?
. . . pretending that he had the patrol car window rolled down . . .
Let's look at what I actually said, Mikeb, since you seem to be so confused about it (wouldn't want to accuse you of lying):
Can you tell if the passenger side window was down (I can't) . . .
So that's "pretending that he had the patrol car window rolled down"?
You seem to be accusing me of being quite lackadaisical, in both my "defending," and "pretending." I'd like to think I would do better at both, if I were trying to engage in such activity.
Kurt: "Can you tell if the passenger side window was down (I can't) . . .
DeleteSo that's "pretending that he had the patrol car window rolled down"?"
Yes that's exactly what it was. I call that a "loaded question." You can pretend that your seriously asking that and implying nothing at all, but I don't buy it.
You can pretend that your seriously asking that and implying nothing at all, but I don't buy it.
DeleteSo now I'm "pretending" that I'm not "pretending" that my question about the window was not a categorical statement?"
If you had a tail, you'd run yourself ragged chasing it, I'd wager.
Just ran across this piece about three young lads who almost managed to make themselves famous posthumously. The body cam footage is quite enlightening.
ReplyDelete"As Officer Luna steps out of his vehicle, gun drawn, he starts yelling commands. His first command to the three teens is to show him their hands.
The teen on the left simply refuses to listen, and keeps both hands in his jacket pockets, staring dumbly at the officer. His friend in the red jacket also acts as if the officer must be talking to someone else, and nonchalantly takes his time to sit on the curb, objects in his hands, one of which quickly disappears out of sight.
But as poorly as these two teens followed directions, raising the stakes of the call exponentially by hiding their hands in or near pockets where the officer can’t see what they’re doing, their seventeen-year-old buddy in the gray hoodie was even dumber.
Not only did he make what officers call a “furtive gesture”—a subconcious, reflexive touching of a concealed weapons to assure it really is concealed—but the suspected gunman raised his hands, but then advanced upon the officer.
Watch the incredibly intense video, filmed by the officer’s in-car camera, and imagine that you are the officer responding to the hysterical calls of a woman who is sure that she’s seen a real gun. None of three young men are doing what you tell them to do, two of them have their hands hidden in their jackets, and the third is walking straight for you."
http://bearingarms.com/idiot-teens-refuse-listen-officer-almost-pull-triple-tamir-rice-texas/