Here's another mistake you'll often see.The issue of carrying a weapon — a sword in the Torah and Talmud, or a gun today — came up in learning about Sabbath observance. Of course, the Talmud addresses every aspect of life, but there is no way to say “self defense” in Biblical or Rabbinic Hebrew; it’s a modern concept. The Hebrew Scriptures and Rabbinic literature simply assert that a human being will defend himself (or herself) — to paraphrase, “no one will stand by silently when threatened.”
Does anyone in their right mind believe that old lady is safer with a gun? The answer is yes, the biased self-serving hungry-to-justify-their-fetish guys insist she is, and believe their own bullshit. The truth is, and just think about all the 80-year-olds you've known, she's much more likely to misuse the gun by dropping it or firing prematurely or allowing a burglar to take it from her than she is to use if some day to save herself.One of my favorite students was an octogenarian Holocaust survivor who, in her words, “is no longer afraid to be alone at home.” She wanted a gun for years, but with her experiences she had no one she trusted. She’s no longer afraid.
The interviewer asked Rabbi Bendory what convinced him to get guns. It was 9/11 and Mumbai that triggered those lurking fears that all gun owners know so well, those fears that start out with "Oh, my God, what if that happened to me?"
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
"The truth is, and just think about all the 80-year-olds you've known, she's much more likely to misuse the gun by dropping it or firing prematurely or allowing a burglar to take it from her than she is to use if some day to save herself."
ReplyDeleteNone of the old folks I've known are this lady, so they aren't a very good way to judge her competency. If she is at all at all like the WWII vets I've known she'll be fine.
If you have any evidence that she won't be fine, present it. I'm sure you don't have any evidence instead relying on your surplus of hatred of firearms, firearms owners, and the elderly.
Typical anti-Semite, anti elder, horse crap. It would be easier to get such people before Obama's death panels and give them the lethal injection if they were unarmed. Heaven forbid that the elderly have a means to protect themselves! What a schmuck!
ReplyDeleteMaybe the goyim should keep his 'wisdom' to himself and if HE feels too feeble to keep an attacker from 'taking his gun away', then just admit it. Better yet, he could try breaking down the door of a well armed elder and see if he gets a 9mm surprise in the face.
Think of how that would reduce his carbon footprint!
My Mom is 82 and carries a Charter Arms H&R .32 magnum. We go to the range together. It's a family thing. I would worry about the bad guy if I were you.
ReplyDeleteWhat I think is that you spew a lot of unsubstantiated crap and that you believe your own bullshit.
ReplyDeleteJust sayin' :)
Typical anti-gun BS. Sorry Mike but the facts show that the elderly can and do use firearms for self defense as well as anyone:
ReplyDelete80-year old WW2 vet kills armed home invader:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-26/news/ct-met-burglar-shot-20100526_1_handguns-account-handgun-violence-unintentional-shooting
68-year old armed man captures home invader:
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7634
93-year old shoots robber:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QL3RVO0&show_article=1
74-year old woman kills home invader
http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=359016&CategoryId=14090
Mikeb, "she's much more likely to misuse the gun by dropping it or firing prematurely or allowing a burglar to take it from her than she is to use if some day to save herself."
ReplyDeleteYou just provided direct proof of your bigotry. It's called "Agism" - prejudice against someone because of their age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageism
What other bigotry you got hiding under there? Against women? Homosexuals? Gun owners?
...Orygunner...
I think we set a record for the most outlandish accusations in a single comment thread: ageism, anti-semitism, bigotry.
ReplyDeleteI plead not guilty to all of it. Instead of addressing the very real issues I brought up, you all resorted to personally attacking me. That's typical.
A couple of you provided anecdotal examples to prove me wrong. I do that all the time, but I realize it proves nothing. They could very well be exceptions to the rule. The rule being, most octogenarians can no longer safely handle firearms.
Another rule is the true gun-rights advocate will admit to nothing, will never give an inch, will fight tooth and nail against any disparagement of the sacred gun.
Let me offer a comparison, which I'm loathe to do, but you leave me no choice, so adamant you are against the simple suggestions I've made.
In Southern Florida where I've had the great pleasure to live in my life, people very often comment on the dangers of octogenarian drivers. They should be retested for their driver's licenses, is the cry that daily goes up in Miami and Naples traffic. They're a danger to themselves and others is the general opinion.
Same thing, even more, goes for guns.
(Did you notice that most of those elderly South-Florida old folks are Jewish. Does that prove my anti-Semitism all over again?)
"The rule being, most octogenarians can no longer safely handle firearms. "
ReplyDeleteWhere's the evidence?
I suggest the evidence is found on the right side of this page - The Brady Campaign Blog. You start with a point of view and fail to even provide anecdotal examples to prove you are correct - much less any real evidence - you simply assert that you could provide them. "The rule being, most octogenarians can no longer safely handle firearms." Where is the evidence? But the bottom line is there is no human right to drive a 3,000 lb automobile on public streets and highways. There is a human right to self defense. At what age does my mother lose that right?
ReplyDeleteMike: "The rule being, most octogenarians can no longer safely handle firearms."
ReplyDeleteWho made this rule? You? What are you basing this on?
I have seen no evidence whatsoever that the majority of elderly people are any less responsible in using firearms then the majority of the rest of the population, and you have provided none.
Until you do, your "rule" will remain unfouded speculation and nothing more.
Mike, there is a very twisted contempt of your elders if [you wish this upon them](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncq_Nu3dRSI&NR=1).
ReplyDeletePeter asked, "At what age does my mother lose that right?"
ReplyDeleteWell, that's up to her and her family to determine, don't you think? What's so difficult about this, Peter. Is the mere mention of disarming someone so upsetting to you that you can't even talk about it rationally?
Let me draw you a picture. Many people die in their 70s, 80s or 90s these days. Think about the ones you've known. In the last full day of their life were they capable of defending themselves with a gun? If they'd attempted to do so on that last day, would it have been safe? Obviously, in most cases the answer is no.
So, from there just turn the clock back. Some of them should have been disarmed voluntarily or by their relatives or loved ones many days or months before the end, even years in some cases.