Tuesday, December 23, 2014
Gun Violence Ad by Rejina Sincic
The Blaze, which is known for making shit up, claims this ad is very controversial and proceeded to print several comments by gun-rights fanatics. Interestingly, no one mentioned mandatory safe storage of guns, which is what I took to be the main message. To me, it's absurd to the point of lying that the message of the ad is to encourage kids to commit crimes.
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To me, it's absurd to the point of lying that the message of the ad is to encourage kids to commit crimes.
ReplyDeleteEncouraging kids to steal guns and bring them to school is not "encourag[ing] kids to commit crimes"?
And you accuse others of being "absurd to the point of lying"?
The message of the ad is not "Encouraging kids to steal guns and bring them to school." The message is to lock your guns up at home.
DeleteThe message of the ad is not "Encouraging kids to steal guns and bring them to school."
DeleteIs that not precisely what the pouty-faced protagonist does?
I agree with Eugene Volokh, that even if some kid watches this silly propaganda piece and emulates our hero, the ad's foulness won't rise to the level of being a crime, but the kid who does that will have been doing precisely what the ad implies he should.
What the ad implies is that gun owners should lock their guns up in a safe - or not have them in the house in the first place.
DeleteWhat the ad implies is that gun owners should lock their guns up in a safe - or not have them in the house in the first place.
DeleteSure--that implication is there, too. Still, young Mr. Pouty-Face is presented as the one doing the right thing, with "the right thing" being stealing a (presumably loaded) gun and taking it to school.
Tell me, Mikeb, if the plot of this silly propaganda piece actually happened, would you want the kid suspended, expelled? Arrested?
Kid suspended, parents arrested.
Delete...kid put in foster care system which has a impeccable record for turning kids into responsible adults.
DeleteSo I guess that you didn't even watch the video? How absurd it is to claim absurdity when the only takeaway from the video is the actual encouragement of kids to commit theft of firearms, commit a felony to take said firearm to a school and risk a ND in the name of safe homes for kids??
ReplyDeleteThis is even a new low for you Mike.
I have heard that this video is now being investigated for breaking several laws already and for promoting even more law breaking. This is reckless act at best. The possibility for loss of lives at worst.
You gun grabbers have sank to a new low.
That's not the message, unless you're a lying gun rights fanatic who pretends to not get it. The message is "parents, lock up your guns."
Delete"...or your kid might try to turn it in to their teacher and end up in juvie ruining any chance at a productive future."
DeleteYeah, or any other number of bad things could happen with the gun - any one of which is more likely than that it'll be used to protect the fam.
Delete"That's not the message, unless you're a lying gun rights fanatic who pretends to not get it. The message is "parents, lock up your guns."
DeleteThat is an OUTRIGHT LIE Mike. There is NO other message in this video, not ONE hint of anything other that what this video represents other that the suggestion that the kids STEAL their parents guns, take them to school and turn them in to the teachers.
To say this video is anything else is a lie and a new low.
You're wrong. I see a different message and I think you see it to but are pretending not to in order to attack and discredit.
Deletehttps://www.yahoo.com/parenting/monumentally-stupid-anti-gun-psa-urges-kids-to-105981246517.html
ReplyDeleteAnd there you have it.
pops
"To me, it's absurd to the point of lying that the message of the ad is to encourage kids to commit crimes." I dont think that was the intent however it could be the result the kid in the video would have broken multiple laws in the real world by his actions. I also dont believe the intent was safe storage to me it is clearly a piece of anti gun propaganda aimed at children.
ReplyDeleteMBIAC.....
"I also dont believe the intent was safe storage to me it is clearly a piece of anti gun propaganda aimed at children."
DeleteI hadn't thought of that aspect Anon, but it sounds much more plausible than the getting the kid to steal the gun thing. So you're suggesting its more along the lines of children taking a stand on gun violence and making their voices heard kind of thing.
That could possibly be even worse than telling them to steal the gun, with the same guaranteed bad outcome.
exactly SS
DeleteMBIAC....
I think you may be right. The real message might be "parents, don't have guns in your home or bad things will happen." Of course, if they were locked up in a safe, there'd be no problem either.
DeleteEven some of the gun control advocates are trying to distance themselves from this video.
Delete"Despite the relentless attacks, those who share Sincic’s perspective haven’t exactly rushed to her defense. In fact, one of the country’s leading gun control advocacy groups on Tuesday all-but threw her under the bus, suggesting that she may have been hired by right wing activists to stir controversy and anger.
“I smell a rat here,” Ladd Everitt, a spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, told Vocativ on Tuesday. “To me, this reeks of something that’s been planted.”
“It’s shocking how this suddenly went viral on right wing media when no one in our movement is promoting this video,” Everitt continued. “I’m actively questioning who this woman is. And I’d like to know who paid for this and why.”
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/society/gun-violence-psa-director-rejina-sincic/
Wow. If Ladd Everitt, King of the Shrieking Anti-gun Creampuffs, thinks this is so over-the-top that it must have been "planted" by gun rights advocates to discredit the "gun control" movement (as if they don't discredit themselves with ever word they utter), you know the people behind this ad have jumped the shark.
DeleteNice find, SSG.
And now we have the school where the PSA was filmed regretting their decision to rent out the facilities without knowing what was going to happen there,
Delete"A charter school here is distancing itself from a controversial anti-gun video filmed on campus over the summer that shows a student bringing a gun to school and giving it to his teacher.
North Oakland Community Charter School Director Carolyn Gramstorff said the school rented space to San Francisco filmmaker Rejina Sincic but had no idea the content would become so divisive on both sides of the gun control debate.
She said she has asked Sincic and Sleeper 13 Productions to remove the school name in credits at the end of the 2½-minute video but has run into a wall of silence from both.
Neither Sincic nor anyone at Sleeper 13 Productions were available by phone, and neither returned emails seeking comment Tuesday."
"Gramstorff issued a statement on the video, saying the school "did not review, approve, or endorse the YouTube video. No students, staff or board members were involved in the video. We were not aware of the contents of the video nor were we aware that our name would be used."
http://www.contracostatimes.com/contra-costa-times/ci_27196097/oakland-school-disowns-gun-control-video-made-campus?source=rss
I suspect this is just another example of a well-intentioned gun control effort that was so viciously attacked by lying gun right fanatics who pretend the message is one thing what it was obviously another, that as you pointed out, even gun control support is withdrawing.
Delete. . . so viciously attacked by [liberty advocates] who [point out the very serious problems with the clumsy agitprop], that as you pointed out, even gun control support is withdrawing.
DeleteSo "gun control" proponents are so weak-willed, so bereft of loyalty, that they stoop to eating their own if pressure from the other side becomes great enough?
Wow--that's some abject degeneracy.
I can't speak to the intent of this video, but it looks to me that it could have severe unintended consequences. I think the intent was likely a noble one but this video is a portly executed means of getting the message out.
ReplyDeleteMikeZ
That's fair enough.
DeleteSay--waddya' think of this:
ReplyDelete“We were not aware of the contents of the video nor were we aware that our name would be used,” [North Oakland Community Charter School Executive Director Carolyn] Gramstorff continued. “We have sent a request to the film maker asking that she remove our school’s name from the video. NOCCS does not allow, condone, or support bringing weapons of any kind (real or replicas) to school.”
With that being the case, if no one gave Sincic permission to bring a firearm or imitation firearm (as the one in the video may be) onto school property, it's presence becomes a legitimate matter for public and legal inquiry. As does what the school was actually told and what permissions they provided, which might make for a revealing Freedom of Information Act request if Oakland PD punts on its duty and ignores this.
It does appear to be a fake gun, but it has the orange tip removed, which is illegal, and the school denies having given permission (for even a fake gun), which could be another problem for Ms. Sincic.
Wouldn't it be a riot if Sincic finds herself in legal hot water? Help spread this video, everyone!