Det Ch Supt Mick Duthie, head of the Homicide Command, said: "It's taking guns off streets, it is intelligence-led policing to target gangs, stop and search.I should add that this number includes murder, manslaughter, corporate manslaughter and infanticide offences.
Tuesday, December 23, 2014
London Homicide rate lowest in 40 years
Short of a US type Mass shooting occurring in London in the next week or so, the number of murders will be less than 100 for 2014 according to the Metropolitan Police. Police attribute the reduction to intelligence-led policing and early medical intervention.
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Cool. In 2013, 18 US states had less than 100 homicides in a year.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/5tabledatadecpdf/table_5_crime_in_the_united_states_by_state_2013.xls
Huh?
DeleteOf course, taking guns away from citizens is not "intelligence-led". We're having even better historic drops, while doing a better job of respecting individual rights.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/05/us-murder-rate-track-be-lowest-century
Not true TS. The reality is that we have the lowest number of people owning guns in this country, a trend which tracks with the drop in crime.
ReplyDeleteThere has been a steady decline in the number of people owning guns, with fewer people owning more guns.
So, yes, TS, it IS true that fewer guns equals less crime. And it is also true that the majority of both gun owners and non-gun owners support gun control.
And yes, what they do in the UK is intelligence-led. Perhaps you should find out what that is, since you appear to fail to understand it.
"There has been a steady decline in the number of people owning guns, with fewer people owning more guns."
DeleteExcept that is hasn't been that steady and now appears to be on the rise.
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2014/11/fascinating-gallup-polls.html
"And it is also true that the majority of both gun owners and non-gun owners support gun control."
And not so much in this department either,
"Public support for gun rights has increased since the Dec. 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, according to a Pew Research Center study released Wednesday that found, for the first time in more than two decades, that more Americans support gun ownership than gun control."
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2014/12/study-finds-public-support-for-gun.html
How come states with higher gun ownership don't have higher murder rates then?
DeleteAnd how come 2013 didn't see a big spike in murders to correspond with the big gun buying surge? Instead we saw the lowest rate in the official FBI records (started in 1960), and estimated to be the lowest in 100 years.
Deletess and TS, the paucity of your argument is evidenced by the fact that you've been reduced to talking trends by looking at one single year on the graph.
DeleteHahahahahaha.
"the paucity of your argument is evidenced by the fact that you've been reduced to talking trends by looking at one single year on the graph."
DeleteActually Mike, I gave several other examples of why I believe that gun ownership is increasing and the announcement of the death of the gun culture is premature.
Take a look at the examples of growth of youth involvement in the shooting sports in the post I cited in regards to the gun ownership poll.
Here's another good example. In Illinois, in order to own a firearm, you must have a firearm owner's ID. This ID also serves as a permit to purchase. Each owner has one and can own multiple firearms and make multiple purchases. This removes the common assertion that a declining number of gun owners are dutifully lining up to buy all of the firearms that are being sold each year. Lets see what the Illinois State Police say,
"The Illinois State Police (ISP), Firearms Services Bureau, (FSB) has received a record number of FOID card applications since May 2012. For example, in January 2013, the ISP FSB, received 61,172 FOID applications. As a comparison, in January 2012, the ISP FSB, received 31,655, which had been the highest number of FOID applications received during the month of January in years prior to 2012."
http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/
And we could always make the argument that in light of this recent poll,
"For the first time in more than two decades of Pew Research Center surveys, there is more support for gun rights than gun control. Currently, 52% say it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, while 46% say it is more important to control gun ownership."
Or were you thinking that an increase in in the belief that gun rights are important wouldn't result in an increase in the number of people choosing to exercise these rights to increase as well?
What about when I said this, Mike: "How come states with higher gun ownership don't have higher murder rates then?"
DeleteA couple of things you guys miss when you hang your hat on polls:
1) the total number of guns keep increasing. Even you swear by poll results, the number of guns in circulation is way up, which means availability to criminals is up.
2) gun laws are going the opposite direction that you want. This is the part that you are lobbying to change, but it sucks for you that it is the exact opposite of what has been going on while the nation reached a100 low in murder rate. That really sucks for you.
It also amazes me that you call gun owners the biggest sacks of liars on earth when asked questions on DGUs but turn develop Vulcan code when asked about ownership.
Delete"Each owner has one and can own multiple firearms and make multiple purchases."
Deletess, this supports my idea that more guns are owned by fewer people.
"ss, this supports my idea that more guns are owned by fewer people."
DeleteActually it doesn't Mike. The reason I used it is to illustrate the growth in gun owners, in this case in Illinois, is that it shows the increase in individual gun owners in a way that negates any claims of individuals making multiple purchases.
More FOIDs equals a growth in individual owners.
That doesn't address my point. How come you value a poll that you want to agree with, while if it's one that works against you, you dismiss 99% of the answers as lies?
DeleteHere are some interesting numbers:
DeleteTwenty-three percent of American women owned guns in 2011, according to Gallup polling, up from 13 percent in 2005. And nearly 80 percent of gun retailers surveyed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) reported increases in female customers from 2011 to 2012.
When you combine that with the dramatic spike in African-Americans' support for gun rights vs. "gun control," some of "gun control" advocates' favorite demographic myths are looking kinda threadbare.
I doubt if the older gun owners who are dying are being sufficiently replaced by young newbies. Plus hunting is declining. Forget about it, you guys are dinosaurs.
DeleteDinosaurs are extinct, Mikeb. We, as I might have hoped even you would be sharp enough to notice, ain't.
Delete"I doubt if the older gun owners who are dying are being sufficiently replaced by young newbies."
DeleteTime will tell Mike. Hunting doesn't seem to be declining in Minnesota as you seem to think.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
ReplyDeletehttp://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/03/chart-day-gun-ownership-30-year-decline
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/03/10/households_with_guns_declines_since_1970s.html
http://www.vpc.org/studies/ownership.pdf
While looking at the 18 states with lower than 100 homicides, we see two things -- that states with larger populations and low homicide rates, like Connecticut and Hawaii, ALSO have more restrictive gun laws. OR, they are states like Alaska, which have a much, much, much smaller state population size than London, with a proportionately higher per capita homicide and murder rate than London or the UK generally.
The devil is in the details -- and gun deaths have EXCEEDED vehicle deaths in more than a dozen states, for comparison, and are expected to exceed vehicular deaths nationwide in 2015.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html
American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015
Guns and cars have long been among the leading causes of non-medical deaths in the U.S. By 2015, firearm fatalities will probably exceed traffic fatalities for the first time, based on data compiled by Bloomberg.
While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.
So clearly, GUNS ARE NOT KEEPING US SAFER, and the faulty 2A conservative interpretation, and the pro-gun ideology is false and faulty.
Your not staying on message. You're saying murders are down because of household gun ownership decreasing, but seem to be blaming more "gun deaths" on more guns.
DeleteYup. I'm specifically blaming more homicides - not just murders, but manslaughters, etc. - on the wrong people still getting guns too easily.
DeleteIt is the people who are gun nuts who either are committing these killings, or facilitating them with too easy gun transfers to people who shouldn't have them.
Fewer guns, and stricter gun ownership requirements, together reduce gun violence and go further towards disarming criminals, people with mental health issues, and those with what might best be termed as anger management / just bloody minded (the road rage shooters, like the NRA guy's son, as an example).
Homicides are down too. "Gun deaths" are roughly flatlined, because suicides have been canceling out the drops in homicide, but shouldn't gun suicides be going down if fewer households have guns?
DeleteI'll ask again. Shouldn't suicides be going down if fewer households have guns? Mike? Dog gone? Jade? You guys say that access to guns in the home leads to suicides, but you say murders are down because fewer households keep guns.
DeleteWhatever the suicide rate, increasing the percentage of guns in homes would make it go up. If it's already going up due to the economy or prescription medication problems or the many other factors, then it would go up even more if there were more guns.
Delete. . . then it would go up even more if there were more guns.
DeleteBut don't you make the same assertion about homicides? If homicides are down, and if that's attributable to some degree to this notional decrease in firearm ownership, shouldn't suicides be following the same trend?
And Mike reverts back to his favorite fall-back when painted into a corner. Anything that could be attributed to guns that supports his position is because of guns. Anything that is opposite of his position is because of "other factors".
DeleteWell, there ARE other factors. And I don't say guns are the only reason for violence, I say they increase it.
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