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Stating the obvious?
Both sides of the global warming debate do that all the time.
Here's another view on global warming/climate change...or whatever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4
Laci,Your take on global warming seems like it ended with Gore's documentary.Where's the science?Hint: Ocean currents. Sunlight.Confession: It takes an educated and dedicated scientist far greater than you or I to explain it to the masses.Suggestion: Scripps Institution. University of Hawaii.
The Scripps Institute of Oceanography is located in La Jolla, California. It is part of the University of California, San Diego.These GWB fanatics are using 150 years worth of weather data ( recorded temperatures) to make blanket statements about climate and people like Al Gore and others of his ilk have used that and falsified data to make billions of dollars off of the unsuspecting masses.It's friggin' weather. When it's cold, wear extra clothing...when it's hot, shed some clothes. ( But not all your clothes, some of us should never be seen in public naked, lol.)
Oops, no edit button. GWB should be GW for global warming.
I'm not kidding. It is extremely complicated. There are some simplistic ways of looking at various aspects and evidences. A near doubling of atmospheric CO2. Shrinking glaciers. Calving ice sheets in Greenland. No icebreakers needed for the northern passage during summer. It's a lot to get into. I find it rather fascinating. I will probably post about it someday when I am good and ready. But I will be quoting the work of people far smarter than myself.
Actually, the evidence for climate change goes back a lot longer than 150 years. We have good evidence from the Royal Navy over that period, thanks to temperature measurements done around the world's oceans, but we also have ice core samples that show atmospheric gases over the last several hundred thousand years, coral reef measurements that give the ocean's temperatures over the same length of time, and on and on.The clear evidence says that there has been a spike in temperature since the start of the Industrial Revolution, increasing even more in the last two decades. The cause is primarily carbon dioxide released from fossil fuels, along with methane from the same source and from agriculture--read cow farts.
Mr. G Guy thinks it's all a liberal conspiracy. He sees nothing to the extreme weather events over the last ten years, just normal shit.
Man's effect on climate is naught but a fart in a wind storm. And CO2 has little to no effect on climate change. From the article:What is the meaning of all this? It could be that human CO2 emissions will alter the existing rhythm of glacial-interglacial periods, but that seems unlikely. Once again the impact of CO2 as a driver of climate change is shown to be minimal, and that it is more likely an indicator that change has taken place than as the instigator of change. The Croll-Milankovitch cycles remain widely accepted as the forcing that decides the timing of glacial-interglacial periods. Data from the glaciation record are in strong agreement with this theory. In particular, during the last 700,000 years, the dominant period of glacial-interglacial oscillation has been 100,000 years, which corresponds to changes in Earth's eccentricity and orbital inclination. Global warming alarmists continue to stress the dangers of carbon dioxide while mounting scientific evidence indicates that CO2 plays only a minor roll in climate change.Be safe, enjoy the interglacial and stay skeptical.Just call me a skeptic.As far as man causing extreme weather events, see eruption of Krakatoa, 1883.
Sorry, forgot the link. http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/change-ice-ages-not-caused-co2
Mr. Guy, you cite two computer software engineers against the overwhelming majority of climate scientists, geologists, and other experts in the actual field who say that we are warming the planet? And you do so, quoting an article that doesn't address the significant change in temperatures in recent times?
Greg, you seem to be forgetting the fact that temps have either remained stable or have dropped the last fifteen years or so. Also, a lot of the recent "science" has been debunked, ie. the "hockey stick" BS.I believe in conservation of our natural resources, as I'm sure you do, but frankly, a lot of the new regulation is just another way for special interests to line their pockets at the expense of everyday people.
I've forgotten nothing. I accept the evidence presented by credible scientists on this subject. Temperatures haven't dropped over the last fifteen years. Global temperatures have been the highest on record for that period. The effects of climate change are visible in expanding deserts, droughts, heat waves, melting glaciers and polar ice, and on and on.
The effects of climate change are visible in expanding deserts, droughts, heat waves, melting glaciers and polar ice, and on and on.Tell that to the idiots way down South in Antarctica that went down there to prove the ice was melting...how'd that work out?.
The ice is melting. That doesn't mean that it's melting at all locations evenly
I agree with Greg on this one. Mr. G is a raving lunatic of the conservative follow-the-crowd variety.
I didn't say he was a raving lunatic, however.
Greg is a raving lunatic. He promotes and engages is criminal behavior, he lies, he treats women like shit, he supports racism, he is an antisemite, and could care less about unnecessary death, especially children's deaths.
Anonymous, everything you said there is false. Too bad for you, you have no conception of how to prove things or of how to find the truth.
It's been proven many times by many people including this sites author, that you are a criminal lying coward. Once you have been proven a liar, it's hard for other people to take your word for anything, rightfully so.Especially when you use such childish attempts to avoid explaining your criminal statements. Those childish attempts, just prove again, that you are a criminal lying coward.
Let's see:I post under my own name, rather than anonymously.I will address any comment that has a link to the source so we all can verify the accuracy and see the context.I've said repeatedly that if you can prove that I've lied--in other words, made a statement of fact that I knew to be false--I'd leave and never comment here again.Those are not the actions of a coward.
I have proven my point with your own words and you refuse to reply except with cowardly tactics like a URL. Proven a liar again. HA HA HA It's so easy with a criminal lying coward like you.
What a bunch of pompous asses to think you can change whatever it is Mother nature is gonna do. On top of that, you automatically conclude it is going to be bad.IDIOTS!!!!orlin sellers
Every living creature changes its environment to some degree. We just happen to be particularly effective at doing so. Let's take a few points:1. Do you deny that human beings have driven species to extinction?2. Do you deny the greenhouse effect?3. If you accept the science of the greenhouse effect, do you deny that adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere increases the effect?
Here. Allow me to answer your questions like you answer mine:Yada Yada, obfuscation, Blah Blah, tergiversation.There. Asked and Answeredorlin sellers.
What a wonderful thread. Greg is the reasonable one. Mr. G and Orlin are the fanatics.How's it feel, Greg?
The same as always: Some deny reason about guns, some deny reason about climate change. But I have good reasons for my positions on both subjects.
Lunatic? Okay. Is that because I always apply George Carlin's #1 Rule: Never believe anything the government tells you. That also includes their agencies, like the EPA, and anyone that gets money from them in the form of say, grants.Oh and then there is WikiLeaks which exposed the global criminality of the whole scam.Last, but not least, lets not forget those brilliant scientists Al Gore quoted who said the Artic Circles ice would be gone by 2013. Yeah, I'm the lunatic.orlin sellers
According to Greg, society is to blame, but, the fact is, the largest polluter in the world is the US military. Now, go take care of that fellas.orlin sellers
Orlin, the energy choices of the human race are to blame. Now that we know this, we need to do something about it.
Listen to yourselfenergy choices of the human race are to blame human beings have driven species to extinctionI always encourage people who are worried about global anything to go to the library and get the Dale Carnegie book, "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living".. And since it appears you are an easy mark for scammers, you might wanna ask your librarian for "Idiots Guide to Scams"orlin sellers.
If you consider the scientists in the relevant fields to be idiots, I can't help you.
The site lying coward rejects all scientific evidence of deaths by gun shot, and steps that could stop some of those deaths by scientifically proven means. Reject science when it comes to guns, accept science when it comes to climate. Another clear example of how lying supports his positions.
Anonymous, when we're talking about records of gunshot injuries or deaths, that's not science. It's just tabulation. And claims of how to reduce gun violence are an aspect of social sciences, if science at all, which is a different order of certainty from physics and meteorology.I go by evidence. That doesn't mean that I have to accept every claim made by someone. I accept valid data and analysis.
Gee, what a surprise. He calls climate data tabulation fact, but gun data tabulation lies. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
False. I do not call "gun data tabulation" a lie.
You have called any gun data Mike posts as lies, even when he uses your supposed acceptable CDC numbers. You deny the facts that people who have a gun in their home are more likely to hurt themselves, or a family member, than an intruder. Those numbers are accepted so universally that doctors ask if their is a gun in the home, to judge health risk factors of people (especially children) in the home.Could go on but it's useless with a congenital liar.
"Gun data tabulation" is a typically wordy and confused expression for you Anonymous commenters, but it means a compilation of shooting deaths or number of guns owned or the like. A study seeks to draw conclusions based on the tabulated data. Studies are more prone to error than tabulations, since bias and erroneous methodology can throw off the results.
You are the one who called deaths just a tabulation. Proving again that you could care less about innocents being murdered, especially children. By hypocrite.
Anonymous again gives himself a name in his by-line. That's in addition to lying about what I said.
Everyone can read that you used "tabulation" again I only quote your own words.By, by, criminal lying coward.