A very strange debate, Piers seemed to know that Alexis had purchased his gun in Virginia, yet kept talking as if he used an AR type rifle. Though I wouldn't be surprised that that was the story at some point. Or possibly he just threw that out in hopes that no one else knew.
I don't think Piers is the dishonest ogre you guys pretend he is. He's just a guy who strongly disagrees with you. Why is that so hard for you to take?
1. Can Morgan ever shut up and allow someone to talk?
2. Military bases are gun-free zones. Yes, law enforcement and security are armed, but they are generally distant when these things start. The typical victims are disarmed by law or regulation.
In fact, doesn't "gun-free" mean no guns at all? You're such a stickler for precise language when it suits you, but in this you're willing to accept a very sloppy and vague definition.
Yeah, that's true as far as it goes, but at what point does a gun free zone that's crawling with armed law enforcement people stop being a gun free zone?
From the news reports, it took seven minutes for the police to respond to the incident in Washington and a total of thirty minutes to put down the madman. That's not "crawling with armed law enforcement people."
This may result in the abolishment of the disarm rule on military bases and grounds. Bush number one created this and Clinton renewed it. Before then almost all military people carried side arms with them at all times. They are after all, the military.
Also the issue of security clearances will be revised and have expiration dates that will need to be renewed.
The police forwarded info on this guy about his recent illegal activities as well as him calling 911 to complain about his microwave talking to him, laser sights being aimed at him thru his apartment floor and so on. Those reports went to his superiors and the Navy yard. They did nothing. So whose fault was it that this crazy kept and used his clearance? The police couldn't do anything as he hadn't presented a threat to himself or others. But they did try to convey their concerns of mental instability to others that should have evaluated him and his clearance. He was also recently taking meds for mental problems. The same as the Sandy Hook shooting, Columbine, Aurora theater shootings. And the docs didn't report them either. Hey, think there just may be a connection??
Texas, I have spent time on active duty before the Bush/Clinton thing was in force, and at least on the posts I was stationed, the carrying of side arms wasn't common. And soldiers who lived in the barracks were required to keep personally owned firearms in the arms room, which meant you didn't always have access to them. Security clearances are required to be reinvestigated periodically dependant on the level of the clearance. Since Alexis had just had his clearance renewed a couple of months before this event, I would expect changes on what they look for. He had gone to the VA seeking treatment for insomnia and received medication for it. You do make a good observation regarding the growing prevalence of prescription psychoactive drugs and violent behavior. It is a documented side effect of these drugs to result in some patients to start having thoughts of suicide or other harmful thoughts. Perhaps this is a root cause, but isn't being looked at seriously. http://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html
Ok, I will go with what your saying on your experience on the side arms, mine is different. The security clearance issue was info presented on the news from officials interviewed and such was the discussion.
The question still remains of why wasn't any action taken when the base and his employers were notified of his actions.
Mike, I guess it depends on the base Commander, and my experiances were in the 50s thru the early 70s. The most recent experiance was ten years ago and noticed that the Army guarded the Air Force Base. The Army personnel had side arms and rifles all over the base at that time. I had spoke to the Air Force commander at some length about the changes. It was an interesting conversation.
A very strange debate, Piers seemed to know that Alexis had purchased his gun in Virginia, yet kept talking as if he used an AR type rifle. Though I wouldn't be surprised that that was the story at some point.
ReplyDeleteOr possibly he just threw that out in hopes that no one else knew.
I don't think Piers is the dishonest ogre you guys pretend he is. He's just a guy who strongly disagrees with you. Why is that so hard for you to take?
Delete1. He's a guest who pees on the rug and claims it's raining.
Delete2. He talks over his guests after he asks them a question.
3. He's working to violate our rights.
Is that enough?
1. Can Morgan ever shut up and allow someone to talk?
ReplyDelete2. Military bases are gun-free zones. Yes, law enforcement and security are armed, but they are generally distant when these things start. The typical victims are disarmed by law or regulation.
3. The shooter did not use an AR-15.
Actually he made a good point about the armed guards and security personnel. You wouldn't be happy until everyone has a gun.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, doesn't "gun-free" mean no guns at all? You're such a stickler for precise language when it suits you, but in this you're willing to accept a very sloppy and vague definition.
DeleteLaw enforcement has always been allowed to carry in most gun-free zones. We've always meant private citizens. You know that.
DeleteYeah, that's true as far as it goes, but at what point does a gun free zone that's crawling with armed law enforcement people stop being a gun free zone?
DeleteFrom the news reports, it took seven minutes for the police to respond to the incident in Washington and a total of thirty minutes to put down the madman. That's not "crawling with armed law enforcement people."
DeleteThis may result in the abolishment of the disarm rule on military bases and grounds. Bush number one created this and Clinton renewed it. Before then almost all military people carried side arms with them at all times. They are after all, the military.
DeleteAlso the issue of security clearances will be revised and have expiration dates that will need to be renewed.
The police forwarded info on this guy about his recent illegal activities as well as him calling 911 to complain about his microwave talking to him, laser sights being aimed at him thru his apartment floor and so on. Those reports went to his superiors and the Navy yard. They did nothing. So whose fault was it that this crazy kept and used his clearance? The police couldn't do anything as he hadn't presented a threat to himself or others. But they did try to convey their concerns of mental instability to others that should have evaluated him and his clearance. He was also recently taking meds for mental problems. The same as the Sandy Hook shooting, Columbine, Aurora theater shootings. And the docs didn't report them either. Hey, think there just may be a connection??
Texas,
DeleteI have spent time on active duty before the Bush/Clinton thing was in force, and at least on the posts I was stationed, the carrying of side arms wasn't common. And soldiers who lived in the barracks were required to keep personally owned firearms in the arms room, which meant you didn't always have access to them.
Security clearances are required to be reinvestigated periodically dependant on the level of the clearance. Since Alexis had just had his clearance renewed a couple of months before this event, I would expect changes on what they look for.
He had gone to the VA seeking treatment for insomnia and received medication for it. You do make a good observation regarding the growing prevalence of prescription psychoactive drugs and violent behavior. It is a documented side effect of these drugs to result in some patients to start having thoughts of suicide or other harmful thoughts. Perhaps this is a root cause, but isn't being looked at seriously.
http://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shootings_psychiatric_drugs_antidepressants.html
Ok, I will go with what your saying on your experience on the side arms, mine is different. The security clearance issue was info presented on the news from officials interviewed and such was the discussion.
DeleteThe question still remains of why wasn't any action taken when the base and his employers were notified of his actions.
There lies the challenge. I'm guessing those questions are being asked as we speak.
Delete"Before then almost all military people carried side arms with them at all times."
DeleteYou're wrong about that.
I see ss responded to Texas, when was followed by this:
Delete"Ok, I will go with what your saying on your experience on the side arms, mine is different."
What experience are you talking about? Mine is very much the way ss described it.
Mike, I guess it depends on the base Commander, and my experiances were in the 50s thru the early 70s. The most recent experiance was ten years ago and noticed that the Army guarded the Air Force Base. The Army personnel had side arms and rifles all over the base at that time. I had spoke to the Air Force commander at some length about the changes. It was an interesting conversation.
ReplyDeleteThe 50s? Geez, how old are you?
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