1st - The Gun Is Always Loaded!
2nd - Keep Your Finger Off The Trigger Until Your Sights Are On The Target!
3rd - Never Point The Gun At Something You Are Not Prepared To Destroy!
4th - Always Be Sure Of Your Target And What Is Behind It!
Over at TTAG, they'll forgive just about anything to post what they think are titillating stories.
Jeff Cooper is the source, and you've switched three and four around.
ReplyDeleteThat's not even a real gun, mikeb. Look at the barrel, there's no hole in it.
ReplyDeleteThe 4 Rules apply equally to replica guns.
DeleteSeems to me they're showing practical application for gear being shown at the convention.
ReplyDeleteThey are wrong to point a gun at someone, period.
DeleteGoddamned good thing that Jeff Cooper got borned; else otherwise, people today, like the ones who lived before the FOUR RULES got codified woulda all been bad gunzloonz peoplez, without they din't haz no rules!
ReplyDelete"That's not even a real gun, mikeb. Look at the barrel, there's no hole in it."
Than wtf is the point?
Oh I don't know maybe so they wouldn't be pointing a GUN at people while demonstrating their product.
ReplyDeleteFinally, Mikeb admits what he really believes: They are wrong to point a gun at someone, period. That would include for self defense, I take it. How about law enforcement? What about the military? All three purposes involve pointing a gun at someone from time to time, and a dummy gun can be a useful tool for training. But you've let your real position sneak through. You don't want anyone to be armed. After all, being armed means that you are capable of pointing that gun at someone at some point.
ReplyDeleteGreg, I'm getting a little tired of you purposeful misreadings of what I say. You know I'm talking about the 4 Rules of Gun Safety.
DeleteHow is that a misreading? That was clearly a fake gun. Fake guns, in the context of demonstrations or training, have a different standard from real guns. Should a kid point a fake gun at a police officer out on the street? No. But as a means of showing how to handle the real thing, a fake gun is a useful tool and a safety measure.
DeleteGreg, the misreading that pissed me off was when you tried to say I was talking about self defense and police actions in which pointing a gun at someone is necessary.
DeleteAbout replica guns, it is never necessary to point one at another person in order to "show how to handle the real thing."
I'm not being facetious here. A dummy gun is a good way to demonstrate how to use a product without putting anyone in danger.
DeleteI'm afraid I must disagree with you Mike. Dummy\Blue guns are specifically made to use in situations where one needs be able to safely point a firearm-type-object toward people and other targets that are otherwise unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteIf you watch Massad Ayoob on youtube or other training videos involving close combat you will see that in these scenarios it is important to be able to treat the dummy like a real gun (IE keeping it trained on the assailant) without having the dangers of real gun in a safe training environment.
I would say that as long as the involved parties KNOW that the item is a dummy that is incapable of firing it is perfectly safe to point it in non-safe directions and is exempt from the 4 rules of gun safety.
I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with, Walter.
DeleteYou said that the four rules apply to dummy/replica guns. I'm saying they do not because replica/dummy/blue guns are INTENDED for circumstances where you need to break the 4 rules.
DeleteIt sounds like you're getting a little nit-picky on me, Walt. I don't think I was talking about training.
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