"What? Don't you support the right for someone to take their own life?"
But suicide is a person's right.
In addition, some people prefer to do things for themselves.
Of course, such arguments are ridiculous. They are the equivalent of claiming that gun violence can never occur in states where there exists minimum gun control laws.
Such arguments are a smokescreen. The hope of the gunloon is to deflect attention away from the easy access to guns.
Suicide isn't a one-size-fits-all proposition. As we all know, many gun suicides occur after someone has killed another and doesn't want to address the aftermath: prison, embarrassment, notoriety, etc. Most gun suicides involve fleeting moments of despair--the loss of a girlfriend, job loss, embarrassment, social humiliation, etc.
The WaPo has an excellent account of euthanasia in the Netherlands. In the story, the author recounts his wife's own informed case of suicide.
The key word is "informed."
Most gun suicides are anything but "informed."
Interesting how you quote me without bothering to address the points that I made. Also interesting how ultimately, you came to no point of your own.
ReplyDeleteDo you own your ownself? Are you your own property? It seems that the same people who go ranting about suicide have not one little itty bitty problem with stopping the beating heart of a tenant within their own bodies, but somehow have a problem with one stopping their own beating heart. Oh, but only if it is by a gun.
ReplyDeleteMoral cripples is about the only way to describe this idiocy.
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To call suicide a "right" only illustrates the sick philosophy of gunloons (like Greg). It is a mental illness and is 100% preventable.
ReplyDeleteAs I state in my recent blog post, over half of all shootings are suicides, and half of all suicides are by gun. It is 90% fatal, and far more fatal than any other method. Disturbing, but the gun guys aren't at all concerned. That's their "right," I guess.
http://newtrajectory.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-problem-of-guns-and-suicide.html
And why do you suppose that I'd spend time on your blog? You don't allow anyone to challenge your nonsense over there. Here, I say to you that you're the one who's sick. You have this desperate need to control the actions of everyone around you. I'll leave it to your mental health professional friends to figure out why.
DeleteSo, you don't believe in property rights. But, hey....hold it...aren't you the guy that won't let people comment on your blog because it is your property? What hypocrisy.
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Suicide is usually a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
DeleteWhat a desperate troll for blog hits.
DeleteB.O., You all call Abortion a right, but it is really a mental illness and is 100% preventable.
DeleteMike, carrying it on to what Mikeb said, isn't abortion a permanent solution to a temporary problem?
Deleteorlin sellers
There's nothing more hypocritical, not to mention misogynistic, than the pro-life guy who preaches the benefits of the castle doctrine. A one-day old fetus is sacred life but the local teenager who's climbing in your basement window at night is deserving of swift death.
DeleteNo, that's a consistent position. The fetus or embryo or fertilized egg (to bring in your one-day-old example) hasn't made a choice, while the person who breaks into the home of another has chosen. In the latter case, that choice may have been to be under the influence of some substance, but that's still a choice.
DeleteNice try to derail the conversation to blogging issues. The point stands: you gun guys think suicide is A-okay in your book.
ReplyDeleteI didn't say that it's "A-okay." What I have said repeatedly is that it's the right of every adult. If someone asked for my advice, I'd take the person's total situation into account. For example, I would not want to go through Alzheimer's disease or ALS, so I'd understand anyone who wanted the option to commit suicide before the condition got too far along. By contrast, I'd advise against suicide as a solution to things that have other answers.
DeleteBut what we come down to is the fact that you don't believe in personal rights, while I do.
You can always move to Mexico, Mike. I hear their gun laws are nice, and since they are so tight there is no crime at all. 2nd Amendment. Get over it.
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