The Florida “Stand Your Ground”/License to murder law is just lynching with a bullet – along with a get out of jail free card.
At a gun range courting the NRA vote in Louisiana, Rick Santorum took a couple of shots as a supporter shouted “pretend it [the target] is Obama.”
“Shoot to Kill” may soon be replacing “In God We Trust” as the official motto of the United States.
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-Mark Karlin, Editor for BUZZFLASH
If you're going to refer to Santorum, you should report his response. He said that he didn't hear the woman's comment, since he was wearing hearing protection (something that you'd know about, if you spent any time with firearms), but when told about what the woman said, he responded that it was offensive.
ReplyDeleteThere is one thing, Mikeb: You do love to try scatter shooting.
"but when told about what the woman said, he responded that it was offensive."
ReplyDeleteOf course he did, you fucking idiot, if he had said nothing or indicated that he was in agreement with the woman it would have been more fuel on the fire started by his boneheaded comments about Romney a few days earlier. Here's a hint, shit-for-brains, Santorum is a lying fuckbag reichwing dickhead. He lost his seat in PA, as an incumbent:
"He just as often breezes past his 2006 Senate re-election defeat in Pennsylvania, where he lost by a whopping 18 percentage points. The race helped hand Democrats control of the Senate. And it made Bob Casey, the namesake son of a former Pennsylvania governor, the first Democratic senator from the state elected to a full term since 1962."
from here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/spin-meter-santorums-big-loss-in-pa-undercuts-his-electability-claim/2012/03/15/gIQAiW3ZES_story.html).
Li'l Rick is a misogynist and a weird hybrid of Cath-O-Lick and late 2oth century fundamentalist.
This link (http://videosift.com/video/Santorum-Spokesperson-Obamas-Radical-Islamic-Policies)
is to a clip of a Santorumbot (works for him, I believe) referring to the current president's "radical islamist policies" re: his energy policies.
That Santorum practices the 40+ yo divisive, racist and paranoic politics of the right and then is "offended" when some fucking idiot at a shooting range suggests that he pretend his target is Obama is, to say the least, disingenuous--not that such a thing bothers liars like you.
You just can't bring yourself to think before you speak, can you, Democommie. If you don't like someone, you can't believe that said person could have any good characteristic or action. Here's a hint, you filthy, enraged jackass: Because of your style, no one will notice if you ever come up with some substance.
Delete"Because of your style, no one will notice if you ever come up with some substance."
DeleteAgreed. No one listens to the crazy homeless man shouting on the corner. He might be right once in awhile, but that doesn't mean anyone is going to listen to him.
The theme, "The Florida “Stand Your Ground”/License to murder law is just lynching with a bullet..." is certainly a big pile of racist hyperbole.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, Mikeb, I'm surprised you posted this bunch of baloney.
Democulo has some pretty strong opinions on Santorum, I'd like to get his take on Obama. Evidently, the half-breed spear chucker thinks the life of an Afghani is only worth 50G.
orlin sellers
Does anyone think it might be a wee bit dangerous to spread a lie that murder is legal in over half the country? What if just one person contemplating murder believes them?
ReplyDeleteWe've already got that, TS. In face even before this "stand your ground" nonsense came up, many DGUs have always been murder disguised.
DeleteThat statement is an opinion, not a fact. When you're not on the scene and not involved in the investigation, you are making a judgement out of your position on the subject.
DeleteBut the fact that murder convictions still happen is proof positive that “license to murder” is a lie. Can any of you show a drop in murder convictions (greater than the drop in violent crime rates) after SYG passed? After all, if it is so easy to get away with murder, why aren’t more people getting away with murder?
DeleteStill, you haven’t addressed my original question. “We already have that” is not a good reason to make it worse by telling the public, “go out an kill whomever you please, and just tell the cops you felt threatened. Trust me, you’ll get away with it.”
Do you have any concerns that this type of language may be dangerous?
I agree "license to murder" is a bit inflammatory. But, my "opinion" of murder disguised does happen. Do you deny it? And don't give me that old demand for proof, use your head and think about all the so-called defensive shootings where the bad guy ends up dead. Are not some of them murder disguised and covered up?
DeleteHow can either of us know, not being on the scene when the incident happens and not being a part of the investigation? To quote one of my favorite authors, Umberto Eco, things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate. You choose one story; we choose a different one.
DeleteMike: “But, my "opinion" of murder disguised does happen. Do you deny it?”
DeleteNope, I don’t deny it. Some people get away with murder because of self-defense laws. Good people who were only defending themselves also “get away” because of self-defense laws. Look, people get away with murder all the time in this country and for reasons other than self-defense. People get away with murder because of the 4th Amendment. People also get away with murder because of the 5th Amendment. I could go on and on. Do you deny it? You don’t seem to be as concerned about these people getting away. We have a justice system that favors the innocent. It is better to let a guilty person go free than lock up someone who is innocent. Do you not subscribe to that principle?
MikeB: “I agree "license to murder" is a bit inflammatory.”
DeleteAnd do you think fanning the flames like that could contribute to someone’s death? They keep telling us how easy it is to get away with murder- sooner or later some psychopath on the edge is going to take them seriously.
No, because these flames would lead to more gun control, which would save lives. That's the difference between what we do and what you do, or I should say what SOME of us do and what SOME of you do.
DeleteTS, you said, "It is better to let a guilty person go free than lock up someone who is innocent. Do you not subscribe to that principle?"
DeleteThe problem with that is it's not what we're talking about. Or perhaps it is but you did that thing about reducing it to an absurd simplicity.
We're trying to come to an understanding of how many DGUs there are. My contention is that many of them are not defensive at all. We're not talking about locking up innocent people, which by the way does happen all the time. That doesn't mean we need to keep the laws as weak as they are regarding gun ownership and use.
But why do you insist that the claim of self defense is false often? What evidence do you have? Do you have anything outside of your bias against using a gun for defense?
DeleteMikeB: “No, because these flames would lead to more gun control, which would save lives.”
DeleteI am sure you don’t mean this, as it sounds an awful lot like you are saying rhetoric that contributes to murder is justifiable because you can call for more gun control over the dead body. Can you try to explain yourself in a better way? We are talking about a situation where a person murders another because they keep hearing how easy it is to get away with it in Stand Your Ground states. Explain how this is defensible rhetoric?
Apart from that you are still stuck on this “gun control saves lives” thing, AND fanning the flame hasn’t exactly been working to pass more gun control of late. Didn’t you watch that Rachael Maddow piece that you just linked? So no, fanning the fire in this way can only lead to dead bodies.
MikeB: “We're not talking about locking up innocent people, which by the way does happen all the time.”
Yes, but this is less desirable than letting the guilty go free, and our justice system is designed with that balance in mind.
MikeB: “That doesn't mean we need to keep the laws as weak as they are regarding gun ownership and use.”
This is the balance I am talking about. You want to shift the line to capture more bad defenses (in your mind), but it will in turn catch more good people too. It is as simple as that. I can acknowledge that if we strengthen self-defense laws even more, that more bad people will go free as a cost. Can you acknowledge that the opposite is true?
The end always justifies the means with radicals like mikeb. So yes, as long as it leads to a ban on guns mikeb doesn't care how many people are killed.
DeleteScott, that would explain his stance on the Fast and Furious case.
DeleteTS, Don't try to turn it around on me (us) and say that we're getting people killed by drawing attention to the fact that people are getting away with it. It's your side that wants that shabby law. It's your side that encourages idiots with guns to stand up for their rights. That's what gets people killed.
DeleteYou are assuming that you guys are right about the law. If what you are doing is spreading lies, than what you are doing is quite dangerous. You said yourself it is not a “license to murder”. Yet there are many people calling it just that.
DeleteI have long been bothered by the lies spread by anti-gun groups regarding self-defense laws, but for the most part it has been harmless because not many people listen to them (and it is obviously BS). But now that the national spotlight has put gun controller’s on the pulpit, and the lies are being amplified across the nation everyday for the past week- the danger is getting more and more real.
You should worry more about the lies being spread by your side. Claiming that we all need to carry a gun in order to be safe and responsibly protect our families is bullshit. Yet, on the pro-gun blogs that what the keep telling each other, and the audience is big.
DeleteImagine the borderline idiots, of which there are plenty, who take that message to heart. You might imagine that many people who hear that wrong message are not the kind who are interested in training or even learning the laws.
That's the problem.
This is a great posting I have read. I like your article.
ReplyDelete"Evidently, the half-breed spear chucker thinks the life of an Afghani is only worth 50G."
ReplyDeleteOrlin,Orlin,Orlin--didn't they tell you at the KKKlan meetings that such visible racism is not a good idea until AFTER you KKKlanKKKlowns take over the gummint?
Greg Camp:
Oh, I'm sorry, honey; am I hurting your fee-fees? I honestly would like to stop doing that--and I will, just as soon as you stop being a braindead fuckwad.
TS:
I know that you've been taught, at your KKKlavernSKKKoolKKKlasses that disingenuous statements are a boon to people who want to cloud the truth. The only problem is that they actually have to be capable of doing so.
Please highlight the part of Mikeb302000's comments that said:
"murder is legal in over half the country?".
I know that you said it, but where did HE say it?
You gunzloonz are seriously deficient in logic and critical thinking skillz, y'know.
Democommie, it’s really funny that you chastise me for my critical thinking skills in asking where Mike said that. Why don’t you apply your own critical thinking skills and tell me where I said it was Mike that called it a “License to Kill” before you start talking about my deficiencies? The person who said that was Mark Karlin, and I asked Mike if he thought Mark’s rhetoric could be dangerous.
DeleteDemoculo said: "Orlin,Orlin,Orlin--didn't they tell you at the KKKlan meetings that such visible racism is not a good idea until AFTER you KKKlanKKKlowns take over the gummint?"
ReplyDeleteI'll take it that this means you agree with the half-breed spear-chucker that we can put the value of life at 50 grand. I'm thinking someone your age that value would be less. Don't you agree?
orlin sellers
I'll take it tat Orlin Sellers is attempting to be:
ReplyDeleteA.) Sarcastic; in which case he is suffering a massive case of FAIL.
or
5.) He's really too fucking stupid to understand that "half-breed spear chucker is pretty much the n-word to most of those n-people.
As far as the price of a human life in Afghanistan, that is the price that the Afghanis, most likely, set. Payments made for wrongful death, to aggrieve parties who are survivors of the decedent, is a long standing tradition in tne muslim world.
The amounts paid out to the families of the recent massacere by Sgt. Davis are said to be MUCH larger than what had been considered "normal" in situations involving wrongful killings in Afghanistan or Iraq.
I know that you hate having a black/mixed race PotUS and,apparently, the U.S. military. That you can do so and speak of it, publicly, says a lot about the freedoms that are protected in this country.
It would be nice if we didn't have troops in other countries killing and being killed in rather pointless wars. Otoh, it was a bunch of greedy, fearful (mostly white) bullies that STARTED the two wars. Suck on that, Orlin Sellers.
Thanks, btw, for showing your naked racism to the rest of us, you racist piece-of-shit.
Democulo, great reply. One that asks more questions than it answers, such as:
DeleteWho is Sgt.Davis?
Why are you guessing that the Afghan government set the price to be paid for a death?
How can one be deemed a n-word hater when the person he is referring to is not a naygur but the offspring of a miscegenation?
How can this poster, who has shot or injured no one be a POS yet you dismiss the murderer of 16 or 17 people, mostly women and children, and who critically wounded others and a Commander-in-Chief who pays off the families of those murdered with cash and is personally and directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands as being noble and generous.
You are gonna need a lot of Zs and Ks to explain your idiotic response that answers no question but asks more stupid questions.
I look forward to your profanity-filled response.
orlin sellers
Orlin Sellers:
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, since you're looking forward to it, you are racist piece of shit and conspiracy theorist (no doubt a teabaggist birther, as well) whose screed is loaded with invective but a bit short on like, any fucking substance. So, yeah, go fuck yourself, moron.
My "whoops" on calling Sgt. Bales, "Sgt. Davis"; the error is noted and will not be repeated.
This:
"How can one be deemed a n-word hater when the person he is referring to is not a naygur but the offspring of a miscegenation?"
is weaponz grade FAIL, not that it will slow you down.
I love seeing you fucking gunzloonz meltdown into the puddles of rage that you try so hard to conceal. Get some psychiatric counselling, asshole.
We melt down into puddles of rage? That's the pot calling the table linen black.
DeleteDemoculo, I look forward to the 'red lettuce day' when we can celebrate an actual comment by you on the content of someone's post instead of whatever it is you do now.
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