Saturday, March 31, 2012

Update on the Vigilante on Vigilante shooting in Utah

Cross posted from Penigma at Dog Gone's request (I'd make a further comment, bnt I've been told to be polite...)

It's funny what you find when you do an update check on a previous story, as I sometimes do. I found this little news story by accident, but it is worth sharing here.
For those of you who are curious, here is the original vigilante on vigilante shooting post I wrote, from earlier this month. It is worth noting that unlike Florida, Utah while too pro-gun in many respects, was sane enough as a state to limit castle doctrine and shoot first laws to a person's home. They still give more permission to shoot people to less regulated, less accountable, less trained civilians than they do to police but at least they restrict it to a person's own property. But this is after all still Utah, which has an interesting history when it comes to gun loving conservative older men and much younger or underage women, not unlike the conservative culture of perversion I wrote about here in Grand Marais, Minnesota. It appears Utah is not so different from rural Minnesota.
This conviction does not justify the man who went to jail for taking his gun and leaving his home to go looking for this self-appointed neighborhood watch captain and then shooting him. It does argue for his belief that this gun violence victim and his buddy weren't following the car full of girls because they were behaving illegally, as they claimed, but rather that he had a fetish for young teenage girls.
That the gun shot victim tried to blame HIS victim for his conduct is characteristic of a certain mentality that blames the victim instead of the legally and morally responsible adult bad guy taking the responsibility for his actions. What the following AP story fails to mention is the gun violence victim now in a wheelchair had LEFT his neighborhood where he claimed he was fulfilling his neighborhood watch duties, to follow aggressively the car full of young teenage girls.

You can read the story here, from the AP:
Utah man paralyzed in neighborhood watch shooting convicted of sex with neighbor girl, 17

SALT LAKE CITY — A 39-year-old man paralyzed in a Bluffdale neighborhood watch shooting faces up to 15 years in prison after he was convicted of having sex with a 17-year-old neighbor girl.
A jury found David Serbeck guilty on Thursday of three felony counts of unlawful sex with a minor. Sentencing is May 25.
Serbeck denied the accusations, saying the teen, who is now 22, had a crush on him and wanted to impress her friends.
The alleged victim testified she was 17 when she and Serbeck had sex three times in his Magna home in 2007.
Serbeck denied the accusations, saying the teen, who is now 22, had a crush on him and wanted to impress her friends.
Serbeck was shot and paralyzed in July 2009 by Reginald Campos, who suspected Serbeck of aggressively following his teen daughter in an SUV while patrolling the neighborhood. Campos was sentenced to up to life in prison. ****************** I wonder if Campos and Serbeck will be serving their time in the same prison. That could be awkward.


  1. That's your polite? I'd hate to see what nasty looks like from you. Oh, wait, I have.

  2. Thank you Laci.

    The above is a little confusing. Something in the formatting codes didn't transfer well

    The astrisks mark the end of the news article; the comment about serving their respective prison time was my addition, and I would add to it that if they are in the same jail, it's a good thing if they are particularly kept from any weapons, especially guns, LOL.

    In roughly the same time frame there were two police shootings that upon review were considered NOT justified. Those two cases served to show how much more we give enormously more latitude to kill people to comparatively untrained, uninsured, unregulated (as in they don't need to announce or identify themselves, etc.), gun nut vigilante civilians. The Utah contrast was stark.

    But of course I will be writing more on Penigma about the comparison between Utah non-justified police shootings where I would give the cops the benefit of the doubt, and examples of Stand Someone Else's Ground Shoot First laws where people can shoot an unarmed person, in the back, as they are leaving, through a door, killing them and get off without a charge, much less a conviction.

    Y'all have fun now; I'm going back to researching mass shootings and prominent assassinations in the month of April. Such a 'cruel month', for those of you who catch the literary reference.

    1. DG, I'm curious, after ranting like a lunatic who had escaped from the asylum over those Michigan Militia folks, did you ever do an update on that case and issue an apology for your knee-jerk comments?
      orlin sellers

    2. I'd have sent "The Wasteland" back for more work, but I'm not enthralled with twentieth century poetry.

      Regarding this article, it's best to lay the context first before voicing one's opinion about what happened.

  3. dog gone:

    Situations like the one you describe are much more likely to happen when you've got MORE GUNZ in the hands of idiots with a vigilante mindset and no training around gunz, save how to point and shoot (and, often, not even enough of that).

    Greg Camp, Cap'n Crunch and some others of the "The few, the proud and the paranoid" have told us, in no uncertain terms, that they would NEVER have an accident or throw down on somebody who was a "threat" and not have collateral damage. Of their certainty I can only say that I hope to hell I'm nowhere near them when they decide to cut loose with their penis substitutes. Regardless their own actions they have, of course, NO control over the other gunzloonz that are carrying concealed and might decide that Greg Camp, Cap'n Crunch or others who comment here MIGHT pose a threat. Maybe there's a secret handshake? Do they wear glasses like the guy in that movie 'bout the aliens who disguise themselves as humans?

    No, wait, I GOT IT! If two or more gunzloonz slap leather and start lookslikeaperpblastin', the guyz who are still ALIVE at the end are the GOOD guyz. Oh, boy; I'm glad I figured that out, it was drivin' me Campzy!

  4. Mikeb, I'm curious why my comment here wasn't posted. a boo boo or banned?
    orlin sellers

    1. Comments are taking a while to appear. I've also noticed that the number of comments stated for an article on the main page doesn't always match the number on the comments page. I frequently get a "Error 503" message, whatever that means, too. Something may be amiss with Blogger.

    2. Calling democommie democulo is no longer allowed.

      I'm just trying to clean it up a bit. Even Laci and Democommie are cooperating. Please don't nitpick it to death, just stick to the guns.

  5. Court questions Obama's understanding of the constitution.....

    Can we see Obama's transcripts now......

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